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[Lord Stark]

17,151. This included 8,954 Navy personnel, 6,021 Marines, 1,699 Naval Intelligence agents, and 477 civilians

 

However we know there are also and unknown number of army and air force personnel aboard as well.  So how many are there/ what's Infinity's max capacity.  Well I think the answer can be determined via analyzing the number of escape vessels Infinity has.  It has  8,900 SKT-29 Class-8 Enclosed Heavy Lifeboats/Controlled and 12,750 RLT-85 Emergency Shuttlepods.  The lifeboats can hold 9 people each including the pilot so around 80,100 (assuming they can each hold as many as the Autumn's lifeboats), Shuttlepods are presumably larger and can likely hold lets say 17 people, which brings us to around 216,750.

 

Well Stark are you saying Infinity has a max complement of 300,000?  No, as awesome as that would be.  Modern Naval standards for the US Navy require military vessels to have at least 4 times as many seats as personnel aboard a vessel.  So lets use that figure.  We still get a whopping 74,212 individuals making the comment that Infinity's as large as a city backed by the population of a small city.  That means that aside from the 6,000 marines there could have been as many as 50,000 army personnel aboard as well.  Sounds more like the culmination of human achievement to me. 

 

 

 

 

[Crisiss]

What purpose does the Army and Air Force have on board a dedicated deep space "exploration" vessel?

[David0425]

What purpose does the Army and Air Force have on board a dedicated deep space "exploration" vessel?

the events of requiem are a perfect example. If the infinity didn't have its air power or army the ship would have likely never left requiem. Explorations are dangerous and unpredictable. 

[Crisiss]

the events of requiem are a perfect example. If the infinity didn't have its air power or army the ship would have likely never left requiem. Explorations are dangerous and unpredictable.

I don't think you get it. The Marines are both, just like the modern day USMC that inspired them. There are no (or at least very little) USAF pilots on aircraft carriers. Probably no army personnel either. The Marines are the be-all end-all guys. Why didn't the PoA have anything besides Marines? The Dawn? In Amber Clad? Even Spirit of Fire? Because the Army is attached to bases like Reach and so is the Air Force.
Also, realize they achieved air power through the ship's deck defenses (although I guess Chief still would have needed a lift)

[Lord Stark]

What purpose does the Army and Air Force have on board a dedicated deep space "exploration" vessel?

Probably because Infinity took up like half the UNSCDF budget for over a decade.  Army and Air Force likely wanted personnel on board just like every other branch.  

 

 

I don't think you get it. The Marines are both, just like the modern day USMC that inspired them. There are no (or at least very little) USAF pilots on aircraft carriers. Probably no army personnel either. The Marines are the be-all end-all guys. Why didn't the PoA have anything besides Marines? The Dawn? In Amber Clad? Even Spirit of Fire? Because the Army is attached to bases like Reach and so is the Air Force.
Also, realize they achieved air power through the ship's deck defenses (although I guess Chief still would have needed a lift)

 

Infinity is too massive of an investment not to have personnel from all the branches aboard and a part of it.  

[David0425]

I don't think you get it. The Marines are both, just like the modern day USMC that inspired them. There are no (or at least very little) USAF pilots on aircraft carriers. Probably no army personnel either. The Marines are the be-all end-all guys. Why didn't the PoA have anything besides Marines? The Dawn? In Amber Clad? Even Spirit of Fire? Because the Army is attached to bases like Reach and so is the Air Force.
Also, realize they achieved air power through the ship's deck defenses (although I guess Chief still would have needed a lift)

Yeah your right. im just saying your not going to send a exploration vessel then took over 10 years to build defenseless into space

[Crisiss]

Probably because Infinity took up like half the UNSCDF budget for over a decade.  Army and Air Force likely wanted personnel on board just like every other branch.  
 
 



Infinity is too massive of an investment not to have personnel from all the branches aboard and a part of it.

Doubt it. They don't even have orbital capable transport for fucks sake.
I'm betting it's all navy personnel.
Also, you're forgetting the 300 or so Spartans.

[Defender0]

Also, you're forgetting the 300 or so Spartans.

not to mention the 10 docked frigates

[Crisiss]

Yeah your right. im just saying your not going to send a exploration vessel then took over 10 years to build defenseless into space

THATS WHAT THE MARINES ARE FOR DAMNIT.
We put Marines on Supercarriers for a reason. They are trained for it. The Marines are in charge of defense in space just like they were in Cairo Station, Reach orbit, and the PoA. Marines are the expeditionary force.

[Crisiss]

not to mention the 10 docked frigates

laughed hard at this, not sure why

[Lord Stark]

Doubt it. They don't even have orbital capable transport for fucks sake.
I'm betting it's all navy personnel.
Also, you're forgetting the 300 or so Spartans.

Negligible effect on a crew in the 10s of thousands.  And whether you agree or not canon has army and air force units aboard Infinity.  Deal with it.

"UNSC joint operations begin in Requiem as Infinity mass deploys Spartan, Navy, Marine, Army and Air Force units."

 

 

not to mention the 10 docked frigates

Didn't really factor them in as the crews of those would have their own escape vessel...in the form of the frigate.

[Crisiss]

"UNSC joint operations begin in Requiem as Infinity mass deploys Spartan, Navy, Marine, Army and Air Force units."

Almost had me there. That wasn't the initial exploration security detail. That was a full scale invasion. We have the Marines in addition to the other branches on the offensive in Afghanistan, same thing there. That was a battle. A war. Etc etc.

Also the Infinity had escorts it didn't deploy in that fight.

Also, emphasis on JOINT OPERATIONS

[David0425]

Almost had me there. That wasn't the initial exploration security detail. That was a full scale invasion. We have the Marines in addition to the other branches on the offensive in Afghanistan, same thing there. That was a battle. A war. Etc etc.

Also the Infinity had escorts it didn't deploy in that fight.

Also, emphasis on JOINT OPERATIONS

Joint operations with all branches stationed aboard the ship. And also infinity did deploy its escort in that conflict. Spartan ops episode 1

[Lord Stark]

Almost had me there. That wasn't the initial exploration security detail. That was a full scale invasion. We have the Marines in addition to the other branches on the offensive in Afghanistan, same thing there. That was a battle. A war. Etc etc.

Also the Infinity had escorts it didn't deploy in that fight.

Also, emphasis on JOINT OPERATIONS

 

What purpose does the Army and Air Force have on board a dedicated deep space "exploration" vessel?

 

Concession accepted.  And yes Infinity did deploy all its escorts.  And yes Infinity does maintain considerable army and air force detachments for ground ops/ invasions.  That's the point.

[Crisiss]

Concession accepted.

What you guys are missing is that wasn't the regular force attached to Infinity. None of that was present during the First Battle of Requiem, the initial discovery and subsequent exploration and escape. The RETURN (Second Battle of Requeim) obvious had additional forces attached to Infinity as it was assigned to explore it and take it from the Remnant tooth and nail. That was supplementary to the Marines since the hostile presence was huge.

I don't give up easily in case you haven't noticed.
Unless it's a stupid argument/I'm arguing with an idiot.

[David0425]

What you guys are missing is that wasn't the regular force attached to Infinity. None of that was present during the First Battle of Requiem, the initial discovery and subsequent exploration and escape. The RETURN (Second Battle of Requeim) obvious had additional forces attached to Infinity as it was assigned to explore it and take it from the Remnant tooth and nail. That was supplementary to the Marines since the hostile presence was huge.

I don't give up easily in case you haven't noticed.
Unless it's a stupid argument/I'm arguing with an idiot.

nonetheless, the infinity did have a reasonable military complement even when it first arrived at requiem. They just didn't properly use their assets as del rio was in a state of panick. they had warthogs, spartans, marines, pelicans armed to the teeth, broadswords, scorpions, mammoths, and various other vehicles and forces that would their own respective branches.

[Lord Stark]

What you guys are missing is that wasn't the regular force attached to Infinity. None of that was present during the First Battle of Requiem, the initial discovery and subsequent exploration and escape. The RETURN (Second Battle of Requeim) obvious had additional forces attached to Infinity as it was assigned to explore it and take it from the Remnant tooth and nail. That was supplementary to the Marines since the hostile presence was huge.

I don't give up easily in case you haven't noticed.
Unless it's a stupid argument/I'm arguing with an idiot.

 

Infinity also was operating in a time of peace prior to the Battle of Earth.  Jul 'Mdama hadn't been seen in the public eye for 4 years, and the Sangheili still kept the Jiralhanae at bay.  Once 'Mdama had been spotted, and the Didact killed millions of people I'd imagine Infinity was stacked with an invasion force when it got back.  

[Crisiss]

nonetheless, the infinity did have a reasonable military complement even when it first arrived at requiem. They just didn't properly use their assets as del rio was in a state of panick. they had warthogs, spartans, marines, pelicans armed to the teeth, broadswords, scorpions, mammoths, and various other vehicles and forces that would their own respective branches.

...no. Just like the USMC, the Marines have tanks, an Air Force, light vehicles, etc.
The Army or AF personnel isn't even confirmed anywhere. Again, there's no reason for them to be onboard.
I'm not entirely sure if you understand what the purpose of the Marines in any series ever is. They're the first ones in. They're onboard ALL naval vessels.

[Crisiss]

Infinity also was operating in a time of peace prior to the Battle of Earth.  Jul 'Mdama hadn't been seen in the public eye for 4 years, and the Sangheili still kept the Jiralhanae at bay.  Once 'Mdama had been spotted, and the Didact killed millions of people I'd imagine Infinity was stacked with an invasion force when it got back.

Exactly my point. It was geare for an invasion of a hostile planet, not it's traditional role of "exploration".

[Lord Stark]

Exactly my point. It was geare for an invasion of a hostile planet, not it's traditional role of "exploration".

A role which probably lasted all of a couple of months lol.