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[MasterOfShips]

I already have a program that can convert the music files into MP3s, but I haven't bothered since I'm not sure the devs are cool with it.

If not, a MP3 version of the soundtrack would be great. I'd even be willing to pay for it. Waseem did a fine job.

[Defender0]

Id be willing to bet waseemalready has mp3 files of his music, or a file type that can be easily converted to mp3

I will say this though, the music is fantastic background music, its not the best music for just listening to. This is not in any way waseems fault, this is just how most ambient music is. That being said, id buy it

[MasterOfShips]

Honestly, I'd be happy with just the MP3 versions of the UNSC battle themes. Those were amazing.

[Emberblaque]

The sentiment is nice, but just to be clear we cannot profit in any way from this mod, that includes selling the music created for it. We can only, at the most, accept donations, according to our license terms.

[sloosecannon]

The sentiment is nice, but just to be clear we cannot profit in any way from this mod, that includes selling the music created for it. We can only, at the most, accept donations, according to our license terms.

Wait, wasn't Waseem going to sell the soundtrack afterwards? Since it's not in any way Microsoft IP? I know I remember reading that somewhere...

[Emberblaque]

Wait, wasn't Waseem going to sell the soundtrack afterwards? Since it's not in any way Microsoft IP? I know I remember reading that somewhere...

It was said in that news piece about the soundtrack on ModDB. I PM'd Canadaman and explained the legal issues, he said he'd explain. Anything included in the mod becomes Microsoft's intellectual property.

[sloosecannon]

It was said in that news piece about the soundtrack on ModDB. I PM'd Canadaman and explained the legal issues, he said he'd explain. Anything included in the mod becomes Microsoft's intellectual property.

Very well. I bow to the superior knowledge of the SOTP Legal department

[MasterOfShips]

It was said in that news piece about the soundtrack on ModDB. I PM'd Canadaman and explained the legal issues, he said he'd explain. Anything included in the mod becomes Microsoft's intellectual property.

That's a shame. Would it be alright for me to convert the music files on my own then? If not, it's totally fine.

[chiefship]

Well, maybe 343/Microsoft will hire you guys for a SOTP2 when the mod is finished, because your work is in my eyes really profesionell and just fantastic.

[m468]

Well it beats the only official Halo strategy game...

[Defender0]

Well it beats the only official Halo strategy game...

In Halo Wars' defense, ensemble was being raped by microsoft at the time of development, and wasnt recieving enough funding to make as good of a game as it was supposed to be. That being said, we ARE doing a great job according to many people on Moddb

[chiefship]

But still, i find Halo Wars is still great and i really enjoyed it, even it was only a normal rts with no spaceships.
(i really enjoyed it to make a scarab rush after 8min muhaha(only possible on the flood map with the forrunner reactor))

[Emberblaque]

That's a shame. Would it be alright for me to convert the music files on my own then? If not, it's totally fine.

Every asset we make for the mod is supposed to be shared freely, it's yet another license term. I don't know if waseem agreed to help us with full knowledge of the license terms, so there's always the possibility that he won't be happy that you're doing things without his consent, but his consent isn't a legal necessity. He probably won't care, but it's in your hands.

[Defender0]

Every asset we make for the mod is supposed to be shared freely, it's yet another license term. I don't know if waseem agreed to help us with full knowledge of the license terms, so there's always the possibility that he won't be happy that you're doing things without his consent, but his consent isn't a legal necessity. He probably won't care, but it's in your hands.

considering this, you should at least ask him if its ok, just to be polite

[m468]

But still, i find Halo Wars is still great and i really enjoyed it, even it was only a normal rts with no spaceships.
(i really enjoyed it to make a scarab rush after 8min muhaha(only possible on the flood map with the forrunner reactor))

I enjoy playing it and I guess I should have been more specific... it should have been made available on PC.

[MasterOfShips]

Every asset we make for the mod is supposed to be shared freely, it's yet another license term. I don't know if waseem agreed to help us with full knowledge of the license terms, so there's always the possibility that he won't be happy that you're doing things without his consent, but his consent isn't a legal necessity. He probably won't care, but it's in your hands.

considering this, you should at least ask him if its ok, just to be polite

Yeah that's not a bad idea. I'll be sure to ask him thanks.

[DGaius]

Every asset we make for the mod is supposed to be shared freely, it's yet another license term. I don't know if waseem agreed to help us with full knowledge of the license terms, so there's always the possibility that he won't be happy that you're doing things without his consent, but his consent isn't a legal necessity. He probably won't care, but it's in your hands.

Actually I think he would very much appreciate it if you'd inform him about this, he seemed to care a lot at the times I spoke with him about releasing the OST.

Also Ember, you have me intrigued. What exactly are the full license terms? I did read them, but I don't particularly recall that if you make a mod you'll have to share all resources and more importantly that Microsoft becomes the owner of all assets involved (like they don't own enough already). Now I may have misinterpreted this, since English is not my native language (which may also be the reason I did not identify the points you mentioned in the license agreement). So I would very much appreciate it if you could enlighten me (and perhaps others).

And let's not forget to mention that I too would love to see the OST in MP3 or Wav format

[Emberblaque]

Actually I think he would very much appreciate it if you'd inform him about this, he seemed to care a lot at the times I spoke with him about releasing the OST.

Also Ember, you have me intrigued. What exactly are the full license terms? I did read them, but I don't particularly recall that if you make a mod you'll have to share all resources and more importantly that Microsoft becomes the owner of all assets involved (like they don't own enough already). Now I may have misinterpreted this, since English is not my native language (which may also be the reason I did not identify the points you mentioned in the license agreement). So I would very much appreciate it if you could enlighten me (and perhaps others).

And let's not forget to mention that I too would love to see the OST in MP3 or Wav format

I have to say that I would never have thought that you weren't a native English speaker.

I told Canadaman about the issue a long time ago, I was under the impression that waseem already understood that he couldn't sell the tracks and include them in the mod; rather he would have to choose one or the other. Ideally he would've been informed of this before ever helping us, but I had yet to join the team and none of us were intimately familiar with the license terms. They have also been altered in the past.

I'd be happy to explain. First, here's the link for reference: http://www.xbox.com/...developer/rules

This is the term that states that your 'Items' (whatever you make that is based off of Microsoft's intellectual property, or a component of something based off of Microsoft's intellectual property) are basically Microsoft's intellectual property upon distribution: "Distribution of your Item in any form constitutes a grant by you of a royalty-free, non-exclusive, irrevocable, transferable, sub-licensable, worldwide, license to Microsoft and any of Microsoft's partners or users to use, modify and distribute that Item (and derivatives of that Item), and use your name if we choose to, for any purpose and without obligation to pay you anything, obtain your approval, or give you credit."

Now I can't say certainly that it is Microsoft's intellectual property once the Item is distributed, but it effectively is, because you're granting to Microsoft, its partners, and its users, every conceivable right that intellectual property ownership grants you under law. Preventing Microsoft, its users, or its partners from using, modifying or distrbuting that Item would be a violation of the license terms.

[DGaius]

Thank you Ember, for the explanation. It has been a while since I read the terms and it seems I certainly missed this particular part the first time. I have to be honest, it doesn't surprise me as with most licenses these days you never really gain something (relatively speaking of course, I value the idea of 'a creator is the owner of his creation' when it comes to creative work/original content. Which in this example works both ways).

Also, on topic: perhaps Waseem himself could elaborate on his plans for the OST here?

[Unikraken]

Here's what I don't get. If we get permission from Metalica to use their music in our mod...It doesn't suddenly become Microsoft's music. Waseem is giving us permission to use music he's producing.