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[spartan3227mike]

so i was playing around with the galaxy forge and this is the fleets i put together

                         UNSC fleet                                                  Covenant fleet 

                          913 ships                                                    404 ships

72 Valiant Heavy cruiser                                             120   salvation class 

39 Orion battle cruiser                                                 284  ccs-class cruiser

38 Autum class cruiser 

47 Thermopylae super carrier

106 Thantos class destroyer

59 Halcyon class crusier 

332 Paris class 

19 Cradle class repair ship 

36 Pheonix assault ship

165 Mako corvette 

202 longsword fighter

202 longsword bomber

                                                 covenant out numbered 2:1 and they won 

and i apologize ahead of time if i put this in the wrong spot 

 

[spartan3227mike]

are the covenant really this overpowered?

[Centurian128]

Considering the blance in this mod, as well as in the lore, is that the UNSC wins with a 3:1 ratio then it seems properly balanced to me.  But considering you've got what seems to be a good mix, it might be down to tactics and not numbers.

 

The Devs would know better than I, though.

[SPECTRE]

 

72 Valiant Heavy cruiser                                             120   salvation class 

39 Orion battle cruiser                                                 

38 Autum class cruiser 

47 Thermopylae super carrier

 

 

How did you get that many capitals?

Otherwise your fleet mix is good.

[spartan3227mike]

in galaxy forge you can edit the planets to have as many ships as you want 

[KhevaKins]

You can just use dev.exe and spawn ships as needed, on the fly. So you don't have to set up fleets before hand.

[spartan3227mike]

the what and where do i find it

[Rovert10]

Obviously your capitals didn't launch a single nuke. If all the UNSC Capitals launched a nuke, the Covenant fleet would have been dust. Either that or they wasted them all on a single ship.

[SPECTRE]

Obviously your capitals didn't launch a single nuke. If all the UNSC Capitals launched a nuke, the Covenant fleet would have been dust. Either that or they wasted them all on a single ship.

This. Sometimes ships in a fleet will ALL target the same ship, wasting their MAC shot.

[KhevaKins]

the what and where do i find it

I made a post kind of pertaining to dev.exe here

 

But here is the main points:

Spoiler

Dev.exe

Dev.exe can be found in the same file as the regular Sins.exe, simply right-click on the Sins icon and click 'Open File Location' and run dev.exe. It can be used by mod makers to easily find bugs and comes with a plethora of tools, some of which can be helpful. When running with a mod enabled a warning box will usually appear with various messages, just click 'skip all' whenever this happens. Other than that the game will generally work the same as usual, however it will reset all setting you changed and so these will need to be changed again. Also you can edit your 'rebellion.user.setting' file in notepad to turn of all errors. The file can usually be found in 'C:\Documents\My Games\Ironclad Games\Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion\Setting', change 'ShowErrors TRUE' to 'ShowErrors FALSE'.

 

This thread, http://forums.sinsof...pire.com/410160, is also helpful when using the .(period key) menu. It goes into more depth about other settings and options. It has information on spawing units and changing factions and all good jazz like that.

[Moustachio86]

Also, aren't we still on the 3:1 phyrric victory ratio? At 2:1 I'd still expect the Covenant to win based purely on the old way of doing things. 

 

Edit: Also, what Rovert said, nukes are a godsent. 

[sloosecannon]

Also, aren't we still on the 3:1 phyrric victory ratio? At 2:1 I'd still expect the Covenant to win based purely on the old way of doing things. 
 
Edit: Also, what Rovert said, nukes are a godsent.

Depending on tech. Also UNSC had purely caps while Covenant had caps and cruisers, so that makes a difference.

[Rovert10]

Depending on tech. Also UNSC had purely caps while Covenant had caps and cruisers, so that makes a difference.

So the 450+ group of Thanatos, Halcyon, and Paris frigates are there for show?

I'd assume he just threw them together without a single hint of micromanagement. Wasting a ton of DPS and Nuke potential.

[psdt]

Looking at the numbers i feel that things played out almost perfectly in accordance to cannon. It'd be nice to know the unit numbers for each side at the end of the battle. Im betting the covenant lost about half of thier forces. Its also important to take into account what level your cap ships were because they can't unlock nukes right away anymore

[spartan3227mike]

So the 450+ group of Thanatos, Halcyon, and Paris frigates are there for show?

I'd assume he just threw them together without a single hint of micromanagement. Wasting a ton of DPS and Nuke potential.

im kind of embarassed to say this but i dont know how to micromanage 

[spartan3227mike]

Looking at the numbers i feel that things played out almost perfectly in accordance to cannon. It'd be nice to know the unit numbers for each side at the end of the battle. Im betting the covenant lost about half of thier forces. Its also important to take into account what level your cap ships were because they can't unlock nukes right away anymore

unsc had 0 ships left while the covenant had 86 salvation class and 234 ccs class crusiers left

[Aunt Gruntie]

I'm assuming you didn't level up the UNSC capitals at all or unlocked any abilities for them. The UNSC win with nukes.

 

Obviously your capitals didn't launch a single nuke. If all the UNSC Capitals launched a nuke, the Covenant fleet would have been dust. Either that or they wasted them all on a single ship.

 

im kind of embarassed to say this but i dont know how to micromanage 

 

You don't really need to micro so much as keep your Capitals alive long enough to launch your nukes. Which means keeping your Caps at the back of your fleet instead of the front.

[sloosecannon]

So the 450+ group of Thanatos, Halcyon, and Paris frigates are there for show?
I'd assume he just threw them together without a single hint of micromanagement. Wasting a ton of DPS and Nuke potential.

Wooooops.
I was basing that off of Spectre's cap ship quote there...
Reading the OP? Aint nobody got time for that...

But yeah, actually, OP, vs AI, the pause button is your friend. Pause, pick targets, don't target the same ship, blow stuff up... Nukes are critical... umm... buffs are nice too...

[spartan3227mike]

Obviously your capitals didn't launch a single nuke. If all the UNSC Capitals launched a nuke, the Covenant fleet would have been dust. Either that or they wasted them all on a single ship.

i re started the battle this time leveling up all my ships to level 2 and got the nuke then jumped in system with the covenant paused the game and picked seperate targets for each one on the first salvo of nukes whiped out nearly half of the covenant fleet and the remaining ships fired there MAC gun and took out more unsc still lost 700 ships whilt the covies lost everything

[Rovert duBelmont]

Just out of curiosity, how much does each fleet cost in resources?

 

I'm asking for the sake of balance. If the desired fleet size ratio is 3:1, what is the desired cost difference?  Personally, I would think that for the sake of balance, the fleets should roughly cost the same. I may do the math myself if no one does it in the next couple of days, but anyone is welcome to do so.  

 

Thank you for your time.