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[KhevaKins]

Unless orbital elevators and surface-space cargo shipping reduced costs THAT much, that's insane to think it was only that expensive. We need to see some economics in upcoming Halo books. I'm interested in seeing the cost of each ship, Infinity, and how much debt the UNSC racked up. Would that even be debt if you're fighting for the survival of your own race?

I imagine it'd be like a blank cheque. They just keep buying with no real intention of paying anything of in the short term. After the war many companies would demand payment and get very rich from the war.

With an economy spanning of 800 planets (not including inevitable mining operation and outposts) the UEG, and so UNSC, would have a gigantic budget.

[Crisiss]

I think fighting for your right to live makes debt kinda null. Really think about if your fighting for the right of your species to live I don't think anybody gives a damn if you spend every credit or coin you have

But yeah having economics for Halo would be nice as I'd love to see the cost of a standard UNSC Cruiser or even better the cost of a plot device

Do the Covenant even have a comparable currency? I think they (if anything) barter in trade and otherwise are pretty communistic. I don't think anyone in a shipyard gets payed. I think you just get to live because there are a billion others to take your place

[Jaeger]

Do the Covenant even have a comparable currency? I think they (if anything) barter in trade and otherwise are pretty communistic. I don't think anyone in a shipyard gets payed. I think you just get to live because there are a billion others to take your place

IDK maybe they trade grunts since they are slaves speaking of which since we have our own grunt how much is he worth? since he speak English and all I assume he would be valuable to the Covenant if they captured a Human or you know the prophets wanted to get more WoW expansions for when they ain't deciding how to murder the next human planets. 

[Zero]

Do the Covenant even have a comparable currency? I think they (if anything) barter in trade and otherwise are pretty communistic. I don't think anyone in a shipyard gets payed. I think you just get to live because there are a billion others to take your place

Pretty much this. I would think the covenant enforce slavery in the form of religious zeal. The more you work, the more closer you are to thegreat journey.

[SPECTRE]

Actually any countries defence budget is higher that what it says it is, technhcally NASA and BAE for example should by definition be under defence budget. Then there are also other things like Intellegence agencies, ministers, and services.

Also infinity is the centre point of things, kinda like the enterprise, if shit like that didn't happen once in a while the story would be pretty dull.

[Lord Stark]

Actually any countries defence budget is higher that what it says it is, technhcally NASA and BAE for example should by definition be under defence budget. Then there are also other things like Intellegence agencies, ministers, and services.

Also infinity is the centre point of things, kinda like the enterprise, if shit like that didn't happen once in a while the story would be pretty dull.

I agree, the problem is there are plenty of times where the Enterprise has shined.  Infinity has scarcely gotten that moment to shine, generally you need to give something like that a few amazing showings before shafting it.

[Defender0]

I agree, the problem is there are plenty of times where the Enterprise has shined.  Infinity has scarcely gotten that moment to shine, generally you need to give something like that a few amazing showings before shafting it.

so putting a hole in a forerunner dreadnought, something that an SMAC cant do, wasnt a moment to shine?

[Lord Stark]

so putting a hole in a forerunner dreadnought, something that an SMAC cant do, wasnt a moment to shine?

Yeah, impressive, but then again the ship wasn't even attempting to return fire.  The ships still been nearly overrun three times, and now gutted by a station 1/10th of its size.  

[sloosecannon]

Yeah, impressive, but then again the ship wasn't even attempting to return fire.  The ships still been nearly overrun three times, and now gutted by a station 1/10th of its size.

Meanwhile, the Enterprise almost got destroyed an innumerable number of times, did get destroyed 3 seperate times (1701, 1701C, 1701D), and had all sorts of other problems. I don't see anyone saying it was a crappy ship.

Right now, the Infinity is probably the biggest threat in the galaxy. Needless to say, it's gonna be a target. I'd say it's done pretty well given the crap that's been thrown at it (including a fully armed and operational Forerunner battleship)

[Rovert10]

Meanwhile, the Enterprise almost got destroyed an innumerable number of times, did get destroyed 3 seperate times (1701, 1701C, 1701D), and had all sorts of other problems. I don't see anyone saying it was a crappy ship.

Right now, the Infinity is probably the biggest threat in the galaxy. Needless to say, it's gonna be a target. I'd say it's done pretty well given the crap that's been thrown at it (including a fully armed and operational Forerunner battleship)

Yeah but the Enterprise usually went down fighting for a worthy cause. The Enterprise only comes close to getting destroyed so many times since it dives into the fray consistently. Also Enterprise isn't a "super" ship that Infinity is yet has a much better track record and greater feats in any of the main iterations (1701, 1701A, 1701D, 1701E) than Infinity has now. Infinity in my opinion is a waste of money as much as building Executor class Dreadnoughts. There's no point to have that ship that big and only have 1 of them around. Enterprise has multiple sister ships in her respective classes.

 

Yeah Enterprise does pretty well with the crap that's thrown at it (aka the Borg and every other Humanity wiping threat the Federation has to encounter) and it ain't no super ship.

[sloosecannon]

Yeah but the Enterprise usually went down fighting for a worthy cause. The Enterprise only comes close to getting destroyed so many times since it dives into the fray consistently. Also Enterprise isn't a "super" ship that Infinity is yet has a much better track record and greater feats in any of the main iterations (1701, 1701A, 1701D, 1701E) than Infinity has now. Infinity in my opinion is a waste of money as much as building Executor class Dreadnoughts. There's no point to have that ship that big and only have 1 of them around. Enterprise has multiple sister ships in her respective classes.
 
Yeah Enterprise does pretty well with the crap that's thrown at it (aka the Borg and every other Humanity wiping threat the Federation has to encounter) and it ain't no super ship.

Oh absolutely. I just don't think Infinity has done anywhere near as badly as Lord Stark is implying

[Defender0]

Yeah but the Enterprise usually went down fighting for a worthy cause. The Enterprise only comes close to getting destroyed so many times since it dives into the fray consistently. Also Enterprise isn't a "super" ship that Infinity is yet has a much better track record and greater feats in any of the main iterations (1701, 1701A, 1701D, 1701E) than Infinity has now. Infinity in my opinion is a waste of money as much as building Executor class Dreadnoughts. There's no point to have that ship that big and only have 1 of them around. Enterprise has multiple sister ships in her respective classes.

 

Yeah Enterprise does pretty well with the crap that's thrown at it (aka the Borg and every other Humanity wiping threat the Federation has to encounter) and it ain't no super ship.

I believe that Infinity's true value will be seen when (if?) it is mass produced

[Rovert10]

I believe that Infinity's true value will be seen when (if?) it is mass produced

It will never be. It's simply too bloody big and expensive and the UNSC isn't in a position to even try considering that. They have to rebuild a ton of their former colonies as well as Earth. Infinity is a test bed design that will probably be the only one of her class we'll see. If the UNSC is smart, they'll default to the Strident and Autumn classes and leave the Infinity class behind.

 

The Empire has multiple SSDs yet their impact was mostly moot for what they were worth. Having a bunch of ISDs to go around and multitask was better than a singular ship to win a single battle unless it was absolutely crucial. Infinity falls under this dilemma of super ship classes. The only reason Infinity does what it does is because it was given essentially a Main Ship position that Enterprise was given and the rest of the fleet hasn't caught up leaving Infinity to perform a lot of the dangerous missions and roles.

[Lord Stark]

Meanwhile, the Enterprise almost got destroyed an innumerable number of times, did get destroyed 3 seperate times (1701, 1701C, 1701D), and had all sorts of other problems. I don't see anyone saying it was a crappy ship.

Right now, the Infinity is probably the biggest threat in the galaxy. Needless to say, it's gonna be a target. I'd say it's done pretty well given the crap that's been thrown at it (including a fully armed and operational Forerunner battleship)

Enterprise is also a ship of the line and has a better performance record than Infinity.  Mantle's Approach never targeted Infinity, it never fired a single weapon at it.  Infinity...and in general the UNSC have been grossly incompetent in the post war world.

 

Oh absolutely. I just disagree with anything Lord Stark says on principle.

Fixed.

[sloosecannon]

It will never be. It's simply too bloody big and expensive and the UNSC isn't in a position to even try considering that. They have to rebuild a ton of their former colonies as well as Earth. Infinity is a test bed design that will probably be the only one of her class we'll see. If the UNSC is smart, they'll default to the Strident and Autumn classes and leave the Infinity class behind.
 
The Empire has multiple SSDs yet their impact was mostly moot for what they were worth. Having a bunch of ISDs to go around and multitask was better than a singular ship to win a single battle unless it was absolutely crucial. Infinity falls under this dilemma of super ship classes. The only reason Infinity does what it does is because it was given essentially a Main Ship position that Enterprise was given and the rest of the fleet hasn't caught up leaving Infinity to perform a lot of the dangerous missions and roles.

Aye. It's like a Death Star - cool, puts everyone in awe of you, but tactically speaking isn't really a wise investment.
We must also consider though, that Infinity's original purpose was to be a "fallback Earth" for when Earth would (inevitably) fall to the Covenant. As a ship with that as its primary design concern, Infinity is perfect for the job (akin to BSG).
 

Oh absolutely. I just disagree with anything Lord Stark says on principle.

Fixed.

I agree entirely with that statement.
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[Aunt Gruntie]

Guys guys, everyone knows the rebels are going to find that 2 meter wide cooling port that goes directly to the core and launch torpedoes down it.


Wait, what are we talking about again?

[sloosecannon]

Guys guys, everyone knows the rebels are going to find that 2 meter wide cooling port that goes directly to the core and launch torpedoes down it.


Wait, what are we talking about again?

$stereotypical_imperial_officer_impossible_response

[Lord Stark]

Aye. It's like a Death Star - cool, puts everyone in awe of you, but tactically speaking isn't really a wise investment.
We must also consider though, that Infinity's original purpose was to be a "fallback Earth" for when Earth would (inevitably) fall to the Covenant. As a ship with that as its primary design concern, Infinity is perfect for the job (akin to BSG).
 
I agree entirely with that statement.
[/mindf**k]

So you agree then that leaving the fallback Earth undefended is retarded.  Glad you admit to being a petty little bitch.  

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[Unikraken]

So you agree then that leaving the fallback Earth undefended is retarded.  Glad you admit to being a petty little bitch.  

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