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[spartan-G257]

well... here goes.

 

Spoiler Alert!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the flood if you do not know this, as of silentium are the precursors... you heard me precursors (i don't know if this is old news)

[sloosecannon]

*may be precursors. Wiki is still undecided as to the truth of that statement

Also, the spoiler button is a wonderful thing

[spartan-G257]

silentium says otherwise and the wikia's are always late to the stuff

(vs debators always look to the books first and the wikia's second (always))

[Defender0]

(vs debators always look to the books first and the wikia's second (always))

this is why i want to get my hands on the forerunner books for design purposes...

[Emberblaque]

this is why i want to get my hands on the forerunner books for design purposes... 

 

Download them bitches. If you're looking to be a golden boy, you're replicating information, not depriving someone of property. Buy it later.

[Defender0]

Download them bitches. If you're looking to be a golden boy, you're replicating information, not depriving someone of property. Buy it later.

price is not a concern, its finding the time to read the books. College/studying > EVERYTHING

[spartan-G257]

you have a point there defender... if only i thought like that 2 years ago...

 

(i was so immature)

[KhevaKins]

Spoiler

It doesn't say the Flood is the Precursors. Technically the Flood is everything. The Precursors made the Flood as a way to get back at a galaxy they felt betrayed them. The Flood would only have to absorb one Precursor, or extract knowledge from one Precursor to technically be counted as "Precursor", which is exactly what happens. The Primordial meets the Flood and gives the Flood it's knowledge, but doesn't get absorbed, It instead choices to lead the flood for a short time before it gets destroyed. The Flood is the last remnants of what the Precursors represented however, an unquenchable need to destroy.
The Precursors went extinct at the hands of the Forerunners (who were jealous of humans, who were poised to take the Mantle with Precursor support). The Forerunners then consequently forgot about it when all there old storage methods (digital) broke down. That also led to them using the domain, which was a Precursor invention that they turned off nearing the end of the Forerunner/Flood war to disorientated the Forerunners.

[SternuS]

this is why i want to get my hands on the forerunner books for design purposes...

You can save your money/time. Except Cryptum, where you can find something, the others provide nothing for design purpose. I mean, you have to be creative for the description of their ships is really vague.

 

Spoiler

It doesn't say the Flood is the Precursors. Technically the Flood is everything. The Precursors made the Flood as a way to get back at a galaxy they felt betrayed them. The Flood would only have to absorb one Precursor, or extract knowledge from one Precursor to technically be counted as "Precursor", which is exactly what happens. The Primordial meets the Flood and gives the Flood it's knowledge, but doesn't get absorbed, It instead choices to lead the flood for a short time before it gets destroyed. The Flood is the last remnants of what the Precursors represented however, an unquenchable need to destroy.
The Precursors went extinct at the hands of the Forerunners (who were jealous of humans, who were poised to take the Mantle with Precursor support). The Forerunners then consequently forgot about it when all there old storage methods (digital) broke down. That also led to them using the domain, which was a Precursor invention that they turned off nearing the end of the Forerunner/Flood war to disorientated the Forerunners.

Is it? I thought

Spoiler

the Precursors morfed into Flood to escape extinction, to come back once again as rulers of the Galaxy. But I seriously don't know, I wished these books would've clarified the Forerunners/Flood history, instead they just made it more complicated. The fact is that all we know about the Flood comes from the Flood itself, from Graveminds, and we don't really know if it is true or it's just an illusion, a lie. It's frustrating, nothing is certain, nothing is fully explained.

[Moustachio86]

As best I understood it:

Spoiler

Some precursors became the flood (in the form of some kind of sentient dust or something, basically dessicated themselves) as a 'fuck you' to the forerunners. It was a like the forerunner's activating the rings (ironically to kill the flood): they knew they couldn't win so they sacrificed themselves to ensure their enemy lost. In a way, guess it worked. Also, hence, the Prisoner (or whatever you call him) literally is the last precursor as he's possibly either one in original form, watching over the flood, or is some kind of gravemind. Precursors became the flood but they aren't exactly one and the same. Not anymore, anyway.

[KhevaKins]

As best I understood it:

Spoiler

Some precursors became the flood (in the form of some kind of sentient dust or something, basically dessicated themselves) as a 'fuck you' to the forerunners. It was a like the forerunner's activating the rings (ironically to kill the flood): they knew they couldn't win so they sacrificed themselves to ensure their enemy lost. In a way, guess it worked. Also, hence, the Prisoner (or whatever you call him) literally is the last precursor as he's possibly either one in original form, watching over the flood, or is some kind of gravemind.

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They wouldn't have to turn themselves into dust to be present in the Floods communal mind. They could embedded the information into it (like the Librarian embedding info in humans). They manufactured the dust which eventually, over generations of breeding and multiplying on the Ancient Human equivalent of cats/dogs, transformed into the first few flood forms. Every flood spore has all the knowledge that the flood has had, but it is locked away and requires more biomass (similar to Geth from ME. The more Flood, the bigger/badder/scarier they get). So every spore has the potential of being a grave-mind and the Flood never forgets. I don't think the precursors sacrificed themselves as much a they were systematically annihilated and the flood was their form of mutually assured destruction. The Primordial was captured/trapped and so wasn't killed. Instead it fester and planned until it was released at which time it sought out the Flood and added it's knowledge to the communal mind. The Flood didn't kill the Primordial probably because of: embedded information telling it not to, no need to(already absorbed the knowledge the Primordial willing gave up), recognized a potential ally.

[Defender0]

You can save your money/time. Except Cryptum, where you can find something, the others provide nothing for design purpose. I mean, you have to be creative for the description of their ships is really vague.

 

Honestly, ill probably like cryptum enough while reading it to get the others. Also, getting creative with their ships shouldnt be too hard, since vague descriptions means I can be flexible with ship design.

[MrChipps]

Spoiler

They wouldn't have to turn themselves into dust to be present in the Floods communal mind. They could embedded the information into it (like the Librarian embedding info in humans). They manufactured the dust which eventually, over generations of breeding and multiplying on the Ancient Human equivalent of cats/dogs, transformed into the first few flood forms. Every flood spore has all the knowledge that the flood has had, but it is locked away and requires more biomass (similar to Geth from ME. The more Flood, the bigger/badder/scarier they get). So every spore has the potential of being a grave-mind and the Flood never forgets. I don't think the precursors sacrificed themselves as much a they were systematically annihilated and the flood was their form of mutually assured destruction. The Primordial was captured/trapped and so wasn't killed. Instead it fester and planned until it was released at which time it sought out the Flood and added it's knowledge to the communal mind. The Flood didn't kill the Primordial probably because of: embedded information telling it not to, no need to(already absorbed the knowledge the Primordial willing gave up), recognized a potential ally.

I'm too lazy to flip through all the books at the moment but it is mentioned by the primordial that some precursor went into hibernation and some precursors chose to transform into a powder for later reassembly. Over time the powder became corrupted and eventually turned into the flood which however turned out to be a useful tool for the primordial.

[SternuS]

Honestly, ill probably like cryptum enough while reading it to get the others. Also, getting creative with their ships shouldnt be too hard, since vague descriptions means I can be flexible with ship design.

Good then, but be aware of Primordium: the first half of the book is boring as hell.

[Normon]

One mans trash is another mans treasure...he may find it not so boring. Though I highly doubt it as the people here are generally of a like mind as far as boring and not boring goes.

[Defender0]

Im a pretty avid reader, I found the details throughout LotR fascinating where a normal person would put the book down.

[Rovert10]

If you're the guy that loves getting into the very details within the Lore. LoTR has that in spades with all the exposition that's in it.

 

Though I havn't read Primordium. Is the book boring due to the huge about of exposition or is just boring in general?

[spartan-G257]

hey i read it (a very long time ago) three times (all of them including the hobbit)

[SternuS]

Im a pretty avid reader, I found the details throughout LotR fascinating where a normal person would put the book down.

I love you so much.

 

If you're the guy that loves getting into the very details within the Lore. LoTR has that in spades with all the exposition that's in it.

 

Though I havn't read Primordium. Is the book boring due to the huge about of exposition or is just boring in general?

In my opinion it is boring due to the missing action. It's just a non-stop description of improbable landscapes (speaking of LotR, I love when Tolkien describes them, but I think Bear is more cut out for sci-fi technology description) and complicated technological devices and structures, which are original but far too complicated. I'm vague because I don't wanna spoil you anything. But hey, it's a good book, it's somehow fundamental if you wanna understand Forerunners' history.

 

hey i read it (a very long time ago) three times (all of them including the hobbit)

When you say "all of them" you mean The Silmarillion, The Children of Hurin, The Adventures of Tom Bombadil, The Book of Lost Tales and Unfinished Tales?

/OT

[spartan-G257]

again i was twelve and it was a really long time ago and i plan to reread them soon...

 

however those last lot i am embarrassed to say i rented out of the library so i no longer have them.

 

that said when i have time i will reread all of them again.

 

i think it started with my older sister reading the main trilogy (technically one book and she had the massive one book) and afterwards left the book on the dining table which i read the first 3 chapters and asked dad if he could get me the first one of the lot and from then on i read them all.

 

by the last few however i was in the library with mother when i found them and when mother asked if there were any books i wanted to rent for the time period when she saw the books the look on her face must have been hilarious (Mother remembers but i don't (the shock that is (of finding out i was reading Tolkien's books)))