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[psdt]

Hopefully the upcoming halos adress this adequately. I think that given enough time they would definitely bounce back and become a force to be reckoned with once more. The issue will most likely be if the unsc gives them enough time to do so. Left alone I'm sure they'd work back up into being quite powerful.

 

It'd be a pretty dark, twist if we started doing to them what they did to us. i think its more likely that the fighting shown in halo 4 will continue at an increasing pace. I can't honestly say who would win here. The UNSC has the technological and naval edge this time but unless we bombed them from orbit I think we'd have a hell of a time taking planets from the sangheilli. Even with the spartan 4s and new guns and stuff I think that thier sheer (shear?) numbers combined with the fact that they're fighting on home turf would give them the advantage in ground combat. And they tend to live in these fort/castle ish things. so they're pretty much ready for ground combat whenever.

[KhevaKins]

Hopefully the upcoming halos adress this adequately. I think that given enough time they would definitely bounce back and become a force to be reckoned with once more. The issue will most likely be if the unsc gives them enough time to do so. Left alone I'm sure they'd work back up into being quite powerful.

 

It'd be a pretty dark, twist if we started doing to them what they did to us. i think its more likely that the fighting shown in halo 4 will continue at an increasing pace. I can't honestly say who would win here. The UNSC has the technological and naval edge this time but unless we bombed them from orbit I think we'd have a hell of a time taking planets from the sangheilli. Even with the spartan 4s and new guns and stuff I think that thier sheer (shear?) numbers combined with the fact that they're fighting on home turf would give them the advantage in ground combat. And they tend to live in these fort/castle ish things. so they're pretty much ready for ground combat whenever.

In the Kilo Five book they had resolved to infighting.

Spoiler

The Infinity shows up and, on the Arbiters request, destroys most of the Sangheilli fighting force, who were attacking the Arbiters fortress/city. That is only Sanghelios so the Elites have other planets and colonies but their home world had largest population, just like Earth for humanity.

In Spartan Assault a group of Covenant attack a human planet, but they were only a splint group, just like in Halo 4, so I guess that is their future. Only turning up as 'splint' groups.

[SternuS]

I really hope 343i will explain the whole situation, 'cause right now infos are quite low.

 

My hope is that we'll meet the Arbiter again, and maybe even Rtas.

[Cole Protocol]

I Would say that the Arbiter will eventually gain some control over the splint groups, but not all of them cause people like jul' mdama wont change to go go human alliance. So i could see the sangheli bouncing back to a somewhat, galactic power. But if you think that they will ever be covenant strong again, you would unfortunately wrong.

[KhevaKins]

I Would say that the Arbiter will eventually gain some control over the splint groups, but not all of them cause people like jul' mdama wont change to go go human alliance. So i could see the sangheli bouncing back to a somewhat, galactic power. But if you think that they will ever be covenant strong again, you would unfortunately wrong.

That was what was happening in Kilo Five. Arbiter was trying to get control of the rest of his species, but by Sanghelli law and right and honor and what have you that is a very difficult thing to do and so starting an uprising against him is perfectly legal, to a sense.

[psdt]

yeah i read glasslands and thursday war. Is the other one out yet? It'd probably have some good info. And i do agree that they'll never be as strong as the covenant were. They'll just never gonna have that kind of logistical backing again. I guess im actually curious about what the UNSC is gonna do about them in the long-run. If they'll just sorta leave each other alone, or fight until one sides too weak to go on.

[Cole Protocol]

Well the UNSC would win that fight by a landslide, so im guessing a treaty for the sake of the story, also if 343 makes UNSC kill of the elites they will go down in history as the worst thing to happen to halo in history.

[psdt]

Yeah they definitely have naval superiority for the foreseeable future. But I think the possibility of a treaty depends on who the majority of the elites side with. The arbiter would want peace, but if jul'mdama gathered enough support he would definitely try to wage a campaign against the humans. The covenant era logistical support and firepower may be gone, but their populations were not damaged nearly as badly as the humans. This includes the grunts and jackals still loyal to jul' and the storm covenant. And if halo 4 is any indication they're not really hurting for ships anymore. Even if they were small and mostly unshielded, they still had quite a few ships present throughout the both engagements at requiem. Even in the latter spartan ops missions you can see RCS cruisers fleeing requiem. Still, humans have air/space superiority on thier side.

Edit:
brain fart. I just remembered Jul is already leading an organized fighting against the humans in halo 4. Seeing as how he's still alive I think we'll definitely see a continuation of that conflict in the next installments.

[ShadowOfIntent]

Yeah they definitely have naval superiority for the foreseeable future. But I think the possibility of a treaty depends on who the majority of the elites side with. The arbiter would want peace, but if jul'mdama gathered enough support he would definitely try to wage a campaign against the humans. The covenant era logistical support and firepower may be gone, but their populations were not damaged nearly as badly as the humans. This includes the grunts and jackals still loyal to jul' and the storm covenant. And if halo 4 is any indication they're not really hurting for ships anymore. Even if they were small and mostly unshielded, they still had quite a few ships present throughout the both engagements at requiem. Even in the latter spartan ops missions you can see RCS cruisers fleeing requiem. Still, humans have air/space superiority on thier side.
Edit:
brain fart. I just remembered Jul is already leading an organized fighting against the humans in halo 4. Seeing as how he's still alive I think we'll definitely see a continuation of that conflict in the next installments.

In my opinion, 343i needs to phase out Jul and the Storm Covenant in Halo 5. I'm getting tired of the Elites being used as enemies rather than the Brutes.

[Defender0]

In my opinion, 343i needs to phase out Jul and the Storm Covenant in Halo 5. I'm getting tired of the Elites being used as enemies rather than the Brutes.

thats how it is in the kilo 5 trilogy though. Its not 343 who made elites the enemies technically

[ShadowOfIntent]

thats how it is in the kilo 5 trilogy though. Its not 343 who made elites the enemies technically

Yeah, the Storm Covenant were enemies, but they weren't the only enemy out there besides the Prometheans, and it looks like they plan on making the Storm Covenant the only other enemy and for them to play a role throughout the next games. I'd much rather them add in more elements and not focus in as much on the Storm Covenant to fill the role as the "other enemy".

[psdt]

I hope that these next two games are pretty long. Theres alot of loose ends to tie up still. Rebels, storm covenant, the rest of the former covenant races, and all the forerunner technology and prometheans that are still out there. Theres alot of things that could show up as an enemy, but from e3 it looks like it'll be more forerunner stuff. And by extension, more storm covenant :<

[Defender0]

I hope that these next two games are pretty long. Theres alot of loose ends to tie up still. Rebels, storm covenant, the rest of the former covenant races, and all the forerunner technology and prometheans that are still out there. Theres alot of things that could show up as an enemy, but from e3 it looks like it'll be more forerunner stuff. And by extension, more storm covenant :<

not necessarily, forerunners can function just fine without covenant

[m468]

Storm Covenant asside. The shanghelli have to learn to function as an independed society. That means that they will have to learn to build and amintain starships, learn to feed their populatiof adiquatly, and most important of all learn to develope their own technology. The old covenant did all of these things for them the Sanghelli only know how to one thing well and that is fight. The must learn the civilian side of things to provide them what they need to become a major power again.

[sloosecannon]

Storm Covenant asside. The shanghelli have to learn to function as an independed society. That means that they will have to learn to build and amintain starships, learn to feed their populatiof adiquatly, and most important of all learn to develope their own technology. The old covenant did all of these things for them the Sanghelli only know how to one thing well and that is fight. The must learn the civilian side of things to provide them what they need to become a major power again.

Touch keyboard?

[Cole Protocol]

Its going to be interesting to see how desperate the Sangheli get when they run out of old derelict covie tech to steal. The UNSC may let them "borrow" the tech, and who knows, maybe that's what turns the elites, all of them into submission.

[m468]

@sloose yes..... Its bad I know...

[SternuS]

Well in Thursday War it is said that the majority of Kaidons kept their ships hidden from the batllefield, the assault at Vadam, in order to ally with the winner, wether it be Vadam or Telcam. So I wouldn't say that Vadam has the complete control over his remaining forces...

[SPECTRE]

We will know soon as Halo: escalation comes out on the 11th, the arbiter (FTW) will be a central character. As the UNSC infinity escorts him to peace talks with a senior chieftain of the brutes.

 

For the lore The arbiter gave command of the Shadow of intent  and some cruisers to R'tas Vadum to drive the brutes back.

I imagine they will attempt to gather strength, and re build but only as a shadow of what they were.

And i see them as future brothers in arms, Like vulcans and Humans in that episode of ST:E where there is internal divisions between the vulcans, and they have a pig war with the andorrians.

[Capt. Gacob Skeeze]

I think people overestimate the UNSC in just how strong they are, Its only been 7 years since the Human-covenant war ended. Most of the outer and inner colonies were glassed/abandoned/crippled. Sure, we are bouncing back and in a strong way. But we aren't suddenly some Giant that cannot be matched. Which is why ONI is working so hard on stifling Sanghelli unity and are in a mad-dash to snatch up any and all forerunner tech they can. In the Real Politik of the Halo Universe we caught some breathing room to rebuild but with The Diadact and Janus Key shenanigans we are realizign the situation could be far more precarious than we had hoped.