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[David0425]

Spartan ops exodus episode, Osman is new head of oni she ordered Halsey's execution

[Shadowz081]

Don't know what 343 was thinking when the let Traviss turn ONI into some cliche super, evil villain plotting the end of all things, and an incompetent one at that with an even more incompetent Spartan reject as it is head...I mean if it weren't for Halsey, Osman would most likely be dead from the covenant, one way or another...

I even know fanfic writers who could have written the glassland trilogy better than what Traviss did, plot wise anyway.

 

Anyways back on topic, the Elites are smart, as in equivalent to human intelligence smart, but are still blinded from the time in the covenant that everything outside of being a warrior is considered a job for the lesser species, and unfortunately for them, they don't have any 'lesser' species to boss around anymore, except for the grunts, and we have no idea where the majority of them went...Probably back to their own worlds, hence why the elites are facing a famine, since they don't even know how to grow their own food (ignoring ONI black ops into their agriculture industry), and without the prophets or engineers, elites don't even know how to build or repair their own ships, I bet they don't even know how a plasma pistol work except that when you pull the trigger, it shoots a bright, green bolt of energy...Let alone some of the more basic kind of crap like indoor plumbing...

 

Unless they pull their heads out of their ass, the elites are going to wipe themselves out and ONI won't even need to interfere, as half of the elite population is calling the Arbiter an idiot to try for peace with the UNSC instead of wiping out the humans. And with what? A fleet with a couple of hundred ship, probably made up of smaller ships, as most of their big ships were probably destroyed in the schism or by that NOVA, ignoring the fact that they don't know how their own ship works except that by pressing a button you can make it do stuff...I wouldn't be surprised if you asked them how their plasma weapons work they will respond with 'forerunner magic'. And against a someone with a fleet with ships, though most are still technologically inferior, are much larger in number and could be rebuilt and repair with relative ease...A 'war' like that is going to be quite one-sided, even if the elites somehow do manage to take Earth...

 

And even if they do pull their heads out of their ass (minus the Arby and some of his supporters), I highly doubt the UNSC will be willing to help them out, at least not all that much, so I can see them regressing back into tier 3 or even tier 4 on the forerunner technological rating chart before advancing again, as they will have to learn how everything works from scratch, because of the consequence of having everything handed to them by the prophets...

[Lord Stark]

What you don't realize is that the Arbiter and his supporters as of 2558 are a huge portion of the Sangheili race.  Enough that Hood considers him leader of the Sangheili.  + He had enough influence to dissuade the rest of his race to not attack the UNSC.  The Sangheili are hardly going to wipe themselves out.  Civil unrest is a part of Sangheili custom.  Ripa 'Moramee even started a civil war on his own world before the Covenant even knew humanity existed.  

 

Besides Jul 'Mdama and his faction care way less about the Arbiter than they do about the Humans.  I'd bet my bottom dollar that their attacks have been more towards Humanity than other Sangheili colonies.

[David0425]

What you don't realize is that the Arbiter and his supporters as of 2558 are a huge portion of the Sangheili race.  Enough that Hood considers him leader of the Sangheili.  + He had enough influence to dissuade the rest of his race to not attack the UNSC.  The Sangheili are hardly going to wipe themselves out.  Civil unrest is a part of Sangheili custom.  Ripa 'Moramee even started a civil war on his own world before the Covenant even knew humanity existed.  
 
Besides Jul 'Mdama and his faction care way less about the Arbiter than they do about the Humans.  I'd bet my bottom dollar that their attacks have been more towards Humanity than other Sangheili colonies.

The only "attacks" are their attempts of taking human colonies (Draetheus 5, X 50) and the defense/occupation of requiem and the events of the brute/human/sangheili peace conference

[SPECTRE]

The only "attacks" are their attempts of taking human colonies (Draetheus 5, X 50) and the defense/occupation of requiem and the events of the brute/human/sangheili peace conference

 

 

Don't know what 343 was thinking when the let Traviss turn ONI into some cliche super, evil villain plotting the end of all things, and an incompetent one at that with an even more incompetent Spartan reject as it is head...I mean if it weren't for Halsey, Osman would most likely be dead from the covenant, one way or another...

I even know fanfic writers who could have written the glassland trilogy better than what Traviss did, plot wise anyway.

 

Covenant asylum seeker attempted to blow up rio with a havok nuke.

You do realise that real world Intelligence services are like that? ONI is essentially how the British intelligence services work? If they think you were a security risk you would end up in some far flung prison on the arse end of the empire? 

Halo fanfic is load of old shit, no way are we bringing this up again.

[Lord Stark]

Covenant asylum seeker attempted to blow up rio with a havok nuke.

You do realise that real world Intelligence services are like that? ONI is essentially how the British intelligence services work? If they think you were a security risk you would end up in some far flung prison on the arse end of the empire? 

Halo fanfic is load of old shit, no way are we bringing this up again.

No he's right. I've read fanfic better than Karen Travesty's trilogy.  ONI has repeatedly been shown to be really incompetent in the Kilo-Five trilogy.  Letting Jul 'Mdama escape comes to mind.  As does arming anti-human aliens and assisting them in deposing the only Sangheili leader preventing his brethren and the other races from trying to reduce Earth into a molten wasteland.  Could you imagine what the state of the galaxy would be if Avu 'Med Telcam were leader of the Sangheili. 

Worst still is that a really competent fictional intelligence agency has been reduced to as Halsey put it "children playing in a sandbox."

[SPECTRE]

No he's right. I've read fanfic better than Karen Travesty's trilogy.  ONI has repeatedly been shown to be really incompetent in the Kilo-Five trilogy.  Letting Jul 'Mdama escape comes to mind.  As does arming anti-human aliens and assisting them in deposing the only Sangheili leader preventing his brethren and the other races from trying to reduce Earth into a molten wasteland.  Could you imagine what the state of the galaxy would be if Avu 'Med Telcam were leader of the Sangheili. 

Worst still is that a really competent fictional intelligence agency has been reduced to as Halsey put it "children playing in a sandbox."

That shit actually happens in military intelligence though. Might i remind you that we armed the mujahadeen? and the iraqis.

Thats not oni thats the UNSC as a whole.

[Lord Stark]

That shit actually happens in military intelligence though. Might i remind you that we armed the mujahadeen? and the iraqis.

Thats not oni thats the UNSC as a whole.

No it doesn't.  Arming the mujahadeen isn't really relevant because they are not really a viable tactical threat to the destruction of the western powers.  The equivalent would be if during the Cold War there was a pro-western leader in the Soviet Union, and the west arming anti-western militants to take out the very leader that's suing for peace.  

[SPECTRE]

No it doesn't.  Arming the mujahadeen isn't really relevant because they are not really a viable tactical threat to the destruction of the western powers.  The equivalent would be if during the Cold War there was a pro-western leader in the Soviet Union, and the west arming anti-western militants to take out the very leader that's suing for peace.  

It fucking well does, i served in the military 8 years and this shit really does happen all the time.

Anybody is a threat to any body, civilians are soft targets. It doesn't matter if they are a threat to the country as a whole, if they are a threat to anyone, they should be ended.

[MrChipps]

Also, ONI had no intention of letting the servants of the abiding truth or arby win outright as seen in The Thursday War. ONI keeps the Sangheili in disarray so that a shattered UNSC can move to rebuild it's powerbase among the remains of the inner colonies. Remeber when Arbys little fort was besieged by rebels and Infinity stopped them, and ONI at the same time culled Arbys fleet so he couldn't gain the upper hand to fast? That was a sucsessfull pice of scheming.

[David0425]

ONI, cant sleep well at night knowing they are there. watching. waiting for me to mess up.

 

*knock,knock,knock

 

answers the door

 

BAM BAM BAM 

[Lord Stark]

It fucking well does, i served in the military 8 years and this shit really does happen all the time.

Anybody is a threat to any body, civilians are soft targets. It doesn't matter if they are a threat to the country as a whole, if they are a threat to anyone, they should be ended.

You serving in the military, though respectable is pretty irrelevant considering most modern intelligence agencies are civilian agencies.  Second, you are using examples of Superpowers using espionage to destabilize underdeveloped countries.  Cite me one operation in the modern day time period where the western powers have conspired with rebels to kill a pro western leader in China or Russia.  You can't because they don't exist.  Modern day espionage has been useful in keeping militarily and economically inferior countries inferior.  

 

No modern day intelligence agency would arm insurgents, that they know want to launch a nuclear war against the west, in order to overthrow a pro western leader.  It's retarded.

 

 

 

Also, ONI had no intention of letting the servants of the abiding truth or arby win outright as seen in The Thursday War. ONI keeps the Sangheili in disarray so that a shattered UNSC can move to rebuild it's powerbase among the remains of the inner colonies. Remeber when Arbys little fort was besieged by rebels and Infinity stopped them, and ONI at the same time culled Arbys fleet so he couldn't gain the upper hand to fast? That was a sucsessfull pice of scheming.

Oh I am aware of what their plan was.  I am saying its retarded.  Most of the Arbiter's forces are away battling Jiralhanae raids.  If he has to recall forces to Sanghelios because of minor insurrections, its pretty likely those raids will spill over into Human territory.  Worst still, the Arbiter is pretty much the only individual keeping the other races from annihilating humanity. 

 

Its horrible writing.  Especially if you also consider that they are considering committing genocide on Sanghelios, then recolonizing it.  That would only lead to the remaining colonies to rally together and literally throw every ship they have at Earth until its nothing but glass.  

[SPECTRE]

 

You serving in the military, though respectable is pretty irrelevant considering most modern intelligence agencies are civilian agencies.  Second, you are using examples of Superpowers using espionage to destabilize underdeveloped countries.  Cite me one operation in the modern day time period where the western powers have conspired with rebels to kill a pro western leader in China or Russia.  You can't because they don't exist.  Modern day espionage has been useful in keeping militarily and economically inferior countries inferior.  

 

No modern day intelligence agency would arm insurgents, that they know want to launch a nuclear war against the west, in order to overthrow a pro western leader.  It's retarded.

 

http://www.telegraph...on-Cupcake.html

There is no such thing as civilian agencies, there are foreign and domestic, or internal or external, they are all under military jurisdiction.

ONI is a military agency. Keyword: naval, ONI is based thoroughly on the The British Intelligence services, merely borrowing the name from the ONI of the US.

Section 0 is based on JIO

Section 1 is based on the RCI, MI5 and MI6, (the former MI

section 2 is based on MI7 and MI12, (Now part of GCHQ)

Section 3 is based on the former Mi10, MI11, MI16. which is now simplified into front line operatives who will go out on recon, gather info, take out HPIs, test prototypes in field.

 Karen travis was a territorial captain in the royal corps of intelligence, she was attached to royal marines in 2001 back when we went into Afghanistan. 

Britain in past years provided weaponry to Libyans, Nepali, and even certain anti Taliban insurgencies in Afghanistan.

To assassinate a political opponent would be stupid, it would incite war.

Glasslands is quite true to how an operational intelligence unit operates.

You have an intelligence officer (Osman),

Then you have an operative to gather intelligence, good and stealthy, use a Sniper rifle and various other expensive equipment, depending on how specialized and dangerous your mission is will depend on what kind of gear your running (Naomi)

Then you will have your minders, they carry weapons to keep both the officer and operative safe, or end them. They also prevent gear from faling into enemy hands. they will also operate a radio and specialist in something like demolitions.

I could even list some incidents where there have been fuckups.

Examples include prototype comms equipment being left close to an enemy position, resulting in the deliberate torch of said equipment.

I knew one minder who left his £48,000 weapon and £3000 worth of APEI ammo on the roof of a checkpoint.

One prisoner getting delerious on morphene and wandering off into the enemy mid firefight and another going for a stroll.

[Lord Stark]

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You aren't listening to me at all.

 

 

First, I was talking about the American CIA, which is civilian.  

 

Second, you aren't listening to me.  You keep citing to me examples of espionage being used with relatively minor loss at stake.  If MI6 or the CIA fail in the war on terror, shit will go down, yes but nothing nuclear.  If the Arbiter dies, billions of humans are going to die.  In fact, it may very well lead to humans becoming an endangered/ extinct.  The stakes of this are unprecedented.  The only comparable one would be after the Cold War there being a pro-west Russian leader, and the western powers arming a faction intent on nuclear war.  It's just dumb.

[SPECTRE]

You aren't listening to me at all.

 

 

First, I was talking about the American CIA, which is civilian.  

 

Second, you aren't listening to me.  You keep citing to me examples of espionage being used with relatively minor loss at stake.  If MI6 or the CIA fail in the war on terror, shit will go down, yes but nothing nuclear.  If the Arbiter dies, billions of humans are going to die.  In fact, it may very well lead to humans becoming an endangered/ extinct.  The stakes of this are unprecedented.  The only comparable one would be after the Cold War there being a pro-west Russian leader, and the western powers arming a faction intent on nuclear war.  It's just dumb.

You have no idea at all how an intelligence agency works do you?

CIA makes world factbooks and other useless stuff like this, that and everything else. Which has nothing on the likes of SIS, Mossad, or the FSK and FSB.

And technically not an intelligence agency, its main job is to co ordinate all other agencies information.

 

 

 

Correlating and evaluating intelligence related to the national security and providing appropriate dissemination of such intelligence

 

 no police, subpoena, or law enforcement powers or internal security functions;

 

This means it can't do anything black bag.

[Lord Stark]

You have no idea at all how an intelligence agency works do you?

CIA makes world factbooks and other useless stuff like this, that and everything else. Which has nothing on the likes of SIS, Mossad, or the FSK and FSB.

And technically not an intelligence agency, its main job is to co ordinate all other agencies information.

 

 

This means it can't do anything black bag.

Wow okay then...the fact that you think the CIA only does world factbooks is astounding.

 

http://zeenews.india...gencies_55.html

Just admit you don't know what you are talking about now.

 

"If not the best, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) of the United States of America is indeed the largest secret service with the maximum reach. The CIA is known to play a pivotal role in helping the US maintain its status as the world’s sole super power. More importantly, CIA has been playing a central role in exchange of intelligence between countries to combat global terrorism."

[SPECTRE]

Wow okay then...the fact that you think the CIA only does world factbooks is astounding.

 

http://zeenews.india...gencies_55.html

Just admit you don't know what you are talking about now.

 

"If not the best, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) of the United States of America is indeed the largest secret service with the maximum reach. The CIA is known to play a pivotal role in helping the US maintain its status as the world’s sole super power. More importantly, CIA has been playing a central role in exchange of intelligence between countries to combat global terrorism."

IF YOU READ MY POST IT WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE CIA ACTUALLY DOES:

 

, its main job is to co ordinate all other agencies information.

 

[insaene]

Woah woah guys. Calm down...

[Moustachio86]

Guys, please stop this. It's a completely unproductive argument, degenerating quickly, no-one else wants to get involved and it's now beyond off topic on an otherwise fairly focused thread. If you want to continue on PM or Steam or something I can't stop you but leave it off here. If it's kept up I'm reporting BOTH of you to Uni.

[SPECTRE]

Guys, please stop this. It's a completely unproductive argument, degenerating quickly, no-one else wants to get involved and it's now beyond off topic on an otherwise fairly focused thread. If you want to continue on PM or Steam or something I can't stop you but leave it off here. If it's kept up I'm reporting BOTH of you to Uni.

Please lock, its way too derailed to get back on track, and thou should not awake the kraken, especially when fighting the flu.