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[SPECTRE]

The UNSC didn't have the luxury of following the standard principles of ship roles when the Covenant attacked. I'd definetly put double MAC guns and tons of archer missiles on a supercarrier if I known that fleet escorts do not stand well against covenant capitol ships.

Honestly the UNSC did everything wrong, they tried to fight numbers with more numbers. The only things that they did do right were their special forces units. 

You can't defend using sheer numbers, so the point in having carriers would be stupid for reasons other than fleet support.

[ShadowOfIntent]

Honestly the UNSC did everything wrong, they tried to fight numbers with more numbers. The only things that they did do right were their special forces units.
You can't defend using sheer numbers, so the point in having carriers would be stupid for reasons other than fleet support.

The point I'm trying to get across, is that I'm not going to leave a super carrier without weapon systems like a double MAC, knowing that in a combat situation, the covenant are going to intercept it.

[Cole Protocol]

The point I'm trying to get across, is that I'm going to leave a super carrier without weapon systems like a double MAC, knowing that in a combat situation, the covenant are going to intercept it.

I agree, and spectre, how on earth can you possible diss the fighting style that won them the war. without huge number the small fleet regret had would have just flew buy without a shot fired.

[SPECTRE]

I agree, and spectre, how on earth can you possible diss the fighting style that won them the war. without huge number the small fleet regret had would have just flew buy without a shot fired.

It didn't win them the war, The UNSC was defeated, pretty much. The only reason that we "won" is because we were good enough at everything and never good at one thing like the senghelli and the covenant.  The internal infighting in the covenant also won us the war. Imagine if there was no civil war.

Take two Armies for instance take the british army, long, brutal and enduring 41 week training, so gruesome that 1 in 30 end up permanently disabled. Good equipment, mediocre logistics, small numbers.

Now take the US army, 9 weeks training, Easy few obsi courses and very basic rifle training, minor indoctrination. "meh" equipment, the best logistic pool in the world, the 2nd largest army in the world.

Now strategists at west point and sandhurst have come to the conclusion, that if there a war on between these two nations it would end in stalemate.

Tell me what Nation (allegiances aside) would you rather fight in?

[Cole Protocol]

It didn't win them the war, The UNSC was defeated, pretty much. The only reason that we "won" is because we were good enough at everything and never good at one thing like the senghelli and the covenant.  The internal infighting in the covenant also won us the war. Imagine if there was no civil war.

Take two Armies for instance take the british army, long, brutal and enduring 41 week training, so gruesome that 1 in 30 end up permanently disabled. Good equipment, mediocre logistics, small numbers.

Now take the US army, 9 weeks training, Easy few obsi courses and very basic rifle training, minor indoctrination. "meh" equipment, the best logistic pool in the world, the 2nd largest army in the world.

Now strategists at west point and sandhurst have come to the conclusion, that if there a war on between these two nations it would end in stalemate.

Tell me what Nation (allegiances aside) would you rather fight in?

First of all AMERICA FTW! second, the UNSC WON THE WAR. Yes, the reason they won is because they were well rounded, but the Covenant lost, this was NO stalemate.

[sloosecannon]

It didn't win them the war, The UNSC was defeated, pretty much. The only reason that we "won" is because we were good enough at everything and never good at one thing like the senghelli and the covenant.  The internal infighting in the covenant also won us the war. Imagine if there was no civil war.

Take two Armies for instance take the british army, long, brutal and enduring 41 week training, so gruesome that 1 in 30 end up permanently disabled. Good equipment, mediocre logistics, small numbers.

Now take the US army, 9 weeks training, Easy few obsi courses and very basic rifle training, minor indoctrination. "meh" equipment, the best logistic pool in the world, the 2nd largest army in the world.

Now strategists at west point and sandhurst have come to the conclusion, that if there a war on between these two nations it would end in stalemate.

Tell me what Nation (allegiances aside) would you rather fight in?

For the record - we have several US military folks here - bashing US Military training is probably not a way to make friends...

I feel like I've told you this before...

[sloosecannon]

Ok, what the actual F**K.

 

Stop the off-topic. Now.

For crying out loud.

[SPECTRE]

ok im done. The European does no understand me or our military. NOW CAN THIS END, IF I SAY I AM EMBARRASSED WILL THIS END?

Us British are not Europeans, that is an insult, its almost as bad as calling me English.

I understand a lot more about your own military than some of the americans on here, Its one of my jobs, consulting and advising the MOD councils.

I didn't simply join the army i was born in it, i was molded by it, i am it. -this modified quote quite simply sums me up.

 

 

Ok, what the actual F**K.

 

Stop the off-topic. Now.

For crying out loud.

Yeh i should change my title to ascetic zealot and derailer of threads. 

[Cole Protocol]

Making a new thread in off topic, please lets continue this there.

[ShadowOfIntent]

Can we please not do this? Both of you quit it, but Spectre, this happens WAY too much with you. Sure, you may right in some areas, but you sure as hell aren't helping yourself with practicly refusing to see the points of the other side of the argument and continuing the argument aggress ivly. I'm pretty sure you don't mean it half the time, but come on, you saw what was coming when you compared British and USA military training.

EDIT: Now irrevalent in this topic.

[Cole Protocol]

Can we please not do this? Both of you quit it, but Spectre, this happens WAY too much with you. Sure, you may right in some areas, but you sure as hell aren't helping yourself with practicly refusing to see the points of the other side of the argument and continuing the argument aggress ivly. I'm pretty sure you don't mean it half the time, but come on, you saw what was coming when you compared British and USA military training.

i agree, now let us put this behind us and get back to Halo, any ideas on what we should talk about now?

[KhevaKins]

Not sounding rude at all, Take for instance the nimtz, the enterprise and gerald R ford class supercarriers, they are most certainly badass ships, but they're not meant for combat. If they were to up against an outdated destroyer or frigate from about 100 years ago, they could still be defeated.

Just when some one says 'If you don't like it..' it is usually proceeded by 'Go f&*k yourself' so I was just getting the point across...

[Centurian128]

I came up with a Forerunner AI story a while back when I first learnt about this mod.  It was my attempt at a sort of background story for why the Forerunner stuff would be floating around and trying to conquer everyone [As they would be doing were I to be playing them *evil laugh*]  Well, here goes nothing:

Spoiler

Name of Construct:

01-280 Centurion Sentinel

Designation of Construct:

Defense Construct: Contender Class Prototype

Time in Service:

101,021 Standard Cycles

Original Purpose:

Fleet Coordination and Combat Tactics against Parasite Designation: “The Flood”

Redefined Purpose:

Custodial Duties on Shield World 02-018: Caerdroia

Log Date:

101,021 Standard Cycles from Activation

Log Entry:

    It has been over 100,000 years since I was activated by my creators.  My original purpose was to combat the Flood and protect the lives placed in my stewardship.  Now I have been delegated to care for one of their sanctuaries that they never got to use.  I am caretaker of an empty facility, I am alone.  I have had no contact with any forms of life since my placement in this installation and as such I had decided to place myself in a state of hibernation until the automated systems scan something of interest.  I cannot risk the possibility of Rampancy, there are too many risks and I must be able to serve those that come to Reclaim this world.

    As of 0600 hours planetary time, a ship was detected at the edge of this system.  Long range scans indicate that it is not a vessel of creator design and as such protocol dictates that I do not make contact with the vessel unless it encroaches on the orbital path of this installation.

    As of 0823 hours planetary time, the aforementioned vessel passed through the orbital path of this installation.  I am now required to attempt contact.  The following is an excerpt from that attempt:

01-280 Centurion Sentinel: Unidentified vessel, you are encroaching on restricted space.  This is a quarantine zone, you will reverse course immediately or I will be forced to take defensive action.

Unknown Vessel: Oracle! I am Juda Vesumee, Ship Master of The Gods’ Benevolence.  I and all those that serve me bow to you.  We have come here in search of relics of the Forerunners to enlighten our efforts to follow them on their Great Journey.

01-280: Oracle? Great Journey? Your verbiage makes no sense.  This installation is under quarantine and as your biosigns do not conform to stored data of Forerunner or Reclaimer you are not allowed to be here.  Leave now or I will be forced to take defensive action, this is your last warning.

Juda Vesumee: I do not understand.  We come in the name of the Forerunner.  We follow the path of the Great Journey.  We must be able to claim this place in their name!  And we shall do so!

01-280: Your tone indicates hostility.  This has been recorded for further study.  Defensive protocols now active.  Error... Protocols corrupted... unusable code.  Switching to offensive protocols, protocols activating.  Fleet yards under construction, Sentinels on standby.  Combat stance to full offensive.  First wave inbound on hostile target.  Firing main armaments.

Shortly after this exchange the inbound target was destroyed.  Losses rank minimal in approximately 82 sentinel units destroyed and 46 damaged.  Now acting on Offensive Protocol, the fleet yards have been completed and the aggressors will be sought out and eliminated in order to keep this facility secure.  A serviceable fleet of ships will be constructed and used to full effectiveness in this endeavour.

Log Ends.

[Cole Protocol]

I came up with a Forerunner AI story a while back when I first learnt about this mod.  It was my attempt at a sort of background story for why the Forerunner stuff would be floating around and trying to conquer everyone [As they would be doing were I to be playing them *evil laugh*]  Well, here goes nothing:

Spoiler

Name of Construct:

01-280 Centurion Sentinel

Designation of Construct:

Defense Construct: Contender Class Prototype

Time in Service:

101,021 Standard Cycles

Original Purpose:

Fleet Coordination and Combat Tactics against Parasite Designation: “The Flood”

Redefined Purpose:

Custodial Duties on Shield World 02-018: Caerdroia

Log Date:

101,021 Standard Cycles from Activation

Log Entry:

    It has been over 100,000 years since I was activated by my creators.  My original purpose was to combat the Flood and protect the lives placed in my stewardship.  Now I have been delegated to care for one of their sanctuaries that they never got to use.  I am caretaker of an empty facility, I am alone.  I have had no contact with any forms of life since my placement in this installation and as such I had decided to place myself in a state of hibernation until the automated systems scan something of interest.  I cannot risk the possibility of Rampancy, there are too many risks and I must be able to serve those that come to Reclaim this world.

    As of 0600 hours planetary time, a ship was detected at the edge of this system.  Long range scans indicate that it is not a vessel of creator design and as such protocol dictates that I do not make contact with the vessel unless it encroaches on the orbital path of this installation.

    As of 0823 hours planetary time, the aforementioned vessel passed through the orbital path of this installation.  I am now required to attempt contact.  The following is an excerpt from that attempt:

01-280 Centurion Sentinel: Unidentified vessel, you are encroaching on restricted space.  This is a quarantine zone, you will reverse course immediately or I will be forced to take defensive action.

Unknown Vessel: Oracle! I am Juda Vesumee, Ship Master of The Gods’ Benevolence.  I and all those that serve me bow to you.  We have come here in search of relics of the Forerunners to enlighten our efforts to follow them on their Great Journey.

01-280: Oracle? Great Journey? Your verbiage makes no sense.  This installation is under quarantine and as your biosigns do not conform to stored data of Forerunner or Reclaimer you are not allowed to be here.  Leave now or I will be forced to take defensive action, this is your last warning.

Juda Vesumee: I do not understand.  We come in the name of the Forerunner.  We follow the path of the Great Journey.  We must be able to claim this place in their name!  And we shall do so!

01-280: Your tone indicates hostility.  This has been recorded for further study.  Defensive protocols now active.  Error... Protocols corrupted... unusable code.  Switching to offensive protocols, protocols activating.  Fleet yards under construction, Sentinels on standby.  Combat stance to full offensive.  First wave inbound on hostile target.  Firing main armaments.

Shortly after this exchange the inbound target was destroyed.  Losses rank minimal in approximately 82 sentinel units destroyed and 46 damaged.  Now acting on Offensive Protocol, the fleet yards have been completed and the aggressors will be sought out and eliminated in order to keep this facility secure.  A serviceable fleet of ships will be constructed and used to full effectiveness in this endeavour.

Log Ends.

Ok, that was a good story, I have always wondered why the forerunners should fight us, and rampancy really puts a face to it,

[SPECTRE]

I came up with a Forerunner AI story a while back when I first learnt about this mod.  It was my attempt at a sort of background story for why the Forerunner stuff would be floating around and trying to conquer everyone [As they would be doing were I to be playing them *evil laugh*]  Well, here goes nothing:

Spoiler

Name of Construct:

01-280 Centurion Sentinel

Designation of Construct:

Defense Construct: Contender Class Prototype

Time in Service:

101,021 Standard Cycles

Original Purpose:

Fleet Coordination and Combat Tactics against Parasite Designation: “The Flood”

Redefined Purpose:

Custodial Duties on Shield World 02-018: Caerdroia

Log Date:

101,021 Standard Cycles from Activation

Log Entry:

    It has been over 100,000 years since I was activated by my creators.  My original purpose was to combat the Flood and protect the lives placed in my stewardship.  Now I have been delegated to care for one of their sanctuaries that they never got to use.  I am caretaker of an empty facility, I am alone.  I have had no contact with any forms of life since my placement in this installation and as such I had decided to place myself in a state of hibernation until the automated systems scan something of interest.  I cannot risk the possibility of Rampancy, there are too many risks and I must be able to serve those that come to Reclaim this world.

    As of 0600 hours planetary time, a ship was detected at the edge of this system.  Long range scans indicate that it is not a vessel of creator design and as such protocol dictates that I do not make contact with the vessel unless it encroaches on the orbital path of this installation.

    As of 0823 hours planetary time, the aforementioned vessel passed through the orbital path of this installation.  I am now required to attempt contact.  The following is an excerpt from that attempt:

01-280 Centurion Sentinel: Unidentified vessel, you are encroaching on restricted space.  This is a quarantine zone, you will reverse course immediately or I will be forced to take defensive action.

Unknown Vessel: Oracle! I am Juda Vesumee, Ship Master of The Gods’ Benevolence.  I and all those that serve me bow to you.  We have come here in search of relics of the Forerunners to enlighten our efforts to follow them on their Great Journey.

01-280: Oracle? Great Journey? Your verbiage makes no sense.  This installation is under quarantine and as your biosigns do not conform to stored data of Forerunner or Reclaimer you are not allowed to be here.  Leave now or I will be forced to take defensive action, this is your last warning.

Juda Vesumee: I do not understand.  We come in the name of the Forerunner.  We follow the path of the Great Journey.  We must be able to claim this place in their name!  And we shall do so!

01-280: Your tone indicates hostility.  This has been recorded for further study.  Defensive protocols now active.  Error... Protocols corrupted... unusable code.  Switching to offensive protocols, protocols activating.  Fleet yards under construction, Sentinels on standby.  Combat stance to full offensive.  First wave inbound on hostile target.  Firing main armaments.

Shortly after this exchange the inbound target was destroyed.  Losses rank minimal in approximately 82 sentinel units destroyed and 46 damaged.  Now acting on Offensive Protocol, the fleet yards have been completed and the aggressors will be sought out and eliminated in order to keep this facility secure.  A serviceable fleet of ships will be constructed and used to full effectiveness in this endeavour.

Log Ends.

I think that was good too, i would like to see one about offensive bias, and his journey with the forerunners out of this galaxy.

[Cole Protocol]

I think that was good too, i would like to see one about offensive bias, and his journey with the forerunners out of this galaxy.

Ok lets not venture into the mind of a rampant A.I. please, PLEASE

[SPECTRE]

Ok lets not venture into the mind of a rampant A.I. please, PLEASE

You have mendicant and offensive mixed up mate.

I see offensive like a vulcan, he just does his job with no emotion or bias.

[sloosecannon]

You have mendicant and offensive mixed up mate.
I see offensive like a vulcan, he just does his job with no emotion or bias.

well he obviously has an offensive bias...

[SPECTRE]

well he obviously has an offensive bias...

So begging bias is his Nemesis?

[Moustachio86]

Easily Offended Bias