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[RalphRoberts]

I was playing a game as the UNSC, against the Covenant on a huge map. it was a 1v1, but I used the huge map to simulate Humanity expanding into a vast number of colonies and promptly being squashed by the covenant.

 

After being smacked around  for a while, I found that using a fleet of 40 Autumns with assorted support ships (charons + cradle mostly) could steamroll just about anything the cov could throw at me. I only had half of the fleet size upgrades, but was easily able to beat any number of covenant fleets with minimal losses to myself. In addition, the spartan boarding party ability allowed me to recoup most of my frigate losses by stealing enemy ships.

 

TL;DR Is the autumn amazing or does the AI not build/research very intelligently?

 

Side note: is there an easier way to upgrade that many cap ships other than clicking on each and every one of them and selecting the same upgrades?

[D4RKST0RM99]

I was playing a game as the UNSC, against the Covenant on a huge map. it was a 1v1, but I used the huge map to simulate Humanity expanding into a vast number of colonies and promptly being squashed by the covenant.

 

After being smacked around  for a while, I found that using a fleet of 40 Autumns with assorted support ships (charons + cradle mostly) could steamroll just about anything the cov could throw at me. I only had half of the fleet size upgrades, but was easily able to beat any number of covenant fleets with minimal losses to myself.

 

TL;DR Is the autumn amazing or does the AI not build/research very intelligently?

 

Side note: is there an easier way to upgrade that many cap ships other than clicking on each and every one of them and selecting the same upgrades?

Should'nt be impossible with a change to the tech tree, although the current method allows you to make differencies within the same class, you could use some of your Autums for capture and have that ability maxed yet have the other Autumns favor the missile barrage ability, having all this tied to a one click option would strip that freedom of choice and every ship would be the same, this has already been done with the ship armor and structure research options that apply to all faction ships at the same time with no diversity.

[Cole Protocol]

Should'nt be impossible with a change to the tech tree, although the current method allows you to make differencies within the same class, you could use some of your Autums for capture and have that ability maxed yet have the other Autumns favor the missile barrage ability, having all this tied to a one click option would strip that freedom of choice and every ship would be the same, this has already been done with the ship armor and structure research options that apply to all faction ships at the same time with no diversity.

I just look at the missile barrage ability and think "eww" when i compare it to the godly shiva or the Boarding ability that puts every other ship (except the orion) to shame.

[Moustachio86]

I just look at the missile barrage ability and think "eww" when i compare it to the godly shiva or the Boarding ability that puts every other ship (except the orion) to shame.

except the orion...

 

except the orion

 

I knew I liked you.

[SPECTRE]

except the orion...

 

except the orion

 

I knew I liked you.

Scifi saw me take down 3 SDs and attendant fleet with 3 orions and two destroyers.

[Cole Protocol]

Well, me and the orion sort of have this "connection" you see. I build it, it blows up my enemies, it is really cool like that, and oh, and something the orion wants me to tell you, you always say "o-ri-on, but you are just stupid

[David0425]

I think the missile barrage on the autumn class should be replaced by a detonate fusion reactors ability, which destroyed all ships in a small radius

[Cole Protocol]

I think the missile barrage on the autumn class should be replaced by a detonate fusion reactors ability, which destroyed all ships in a small radius

That destroyed a Planet (halo), and you could build 46 of those, in other words, fleet wipeing autumn spam, so it would have to downscaled.

[Defender0]

I think the missile barrage on the autumn class should be replaced by a detonate fusion reactors ability, which destroyed all ships in a small radius

pretty sure that ability was originally meant to represent the sheer number of archer missiles that the pillar of autumn had when it was refit. i dont see why the autumn class would not have a similar armament, with the only difference being the type of missiles in each pod

[D4RKST0RM99]

pretty sure that ability was originally meant to represent the sheer number of archer missiles that the pillar of autumn had when it was refit. i dont see why the autumn class would not have a similar armament, with the only difference being the type of missiles in each pod

I'd always considered the refit POA's loadout was mission specific, it was being sent alone into enemy territory with the sole purpose of capturing a covenant ship so they would need-
A large number of archer missiles to bring down the ships shields,
A 3 shot mac gun to deal with the targets potential escorts.
And a Spartan boarding party.
So none of the current Autumn class ships have any need for these atributes beyond their default role as heavy warships.

[theblitz6794]

I'd always considered the refit POA's loadout was mission specific, it was being sent alone into enemy territory with the sole purpose of capturing a covenant ship so they would need-
A large number of archer missiles to bring down the ships shields,
A 3 shot mac gun to deal with the targets potential escorts.
And a Spartan boarding party.
So none of the current Autumn class ships have any need for these atributes beyond their default role as heavy warships.

1. Yes but could be a general thing

2. No. It was to damage without destroying a ship (it fired lighter rounds)

3. Yes but the Spartan 4s could be on the Autumns since theyre much more common

4. Need? Well as a heavy warship, they need all the firepower they can get. Without those 3, you basically have a Halcyon. 

[D4RKST0RM99]

But it cant be a general thing to replace one whole side of a warship with extra missile capability their would be no need for it. Might be able to explain this with a starwars reference-
The basic tie fighter- inexpensive and easy to build.
Darth Vader being the tinkerer he is decides to build his own suped up version tailered to his specific needs and is known as the tie interceptor prototype.
The known tie interceptor was created from that prototype and was put into mass production, a ship far superior to the basic model but still nowhere near Vader's and still it would be too expensive to mass produce the prototype, this is precisely what the autumn class is- better than the original halcyon but not quite as specialised as the refit POA.
Also generally cruisers are multi- purpose craft that can either engage in ship to ship combat, begin planetary seiges, ferry cargo and passengers or just to secure territory, So the refit made the ship a single purpose craft limiting is original capabilities.

[Defender0]

Darth Vader being the tinkerer he is decides to build his own suped up version tailered to his specific needs and is known as the tie interceptor prototype.
The known tie interceptor was created from that prototype

wrong. That would be the TIE avenger that is based off of vaders TIE advanced, which is actually a very good version of the TIE series.

[D4RKST0RM99]

wrong. That would be the TIE avenger that is based off of vaders TIE advanced, which is actually a very good version of the TIE series.

WHHAAAA!!?? I'm referencing the craft u see in the original trilogy, not the comics.
Excluding the bomber u only ever see 3 tie fighter classes, also comics ( and most of the games) aint canon. Otherwise boba fet is a clone of a mandalorian AND a stormtrooper who shot his commander.

[Defender0]

WHHAAAA!!?? I'm referencing the craft u see in the original trilogy, not the comics.
Excluding the bomber u only ever see 3 tie fighter classes, also comics ( and most of the games) aint canon. Otherwise boba fet is a clone of a mandalorian AND a stormtrooper who shot his commander.

ummmm, no. The TIE interceptor was the empires answer to the x-wing and its success at the battle of yavin. Also, the TIE avenger has the same body section that vaders TIE advanced does.

[Rovert10]

ummmm, no. The TIE interceptor was the empires answer to the x-wing and its success at the battle of yavin. Also, the TIE avenger has the same body section that vaders TIE advanced does.

Both were derived from the TIE Advanced X1 or had some influence.

"While it never made it into production, many of its best design features were later incorporated into the TIE/sa bomber andTIE/IN interceptor. Further development of the Advanced continued, eventually leading to the TIE Avenger and TIE Defender."

[Defender0]

Both were derived from the TIE Advanced X1 or had some influence.

"While it never made it into production, many of its best design features were later incorporated into the TIE/sa bomber andTIE/IN interceptor. Further development of the Advanced continued, eventually leading to the TIE Avenger and TIE Defender."

Ok, while this is true, the TIE advanced has a more direct impact on the design of the TIE Avenger.

 

bottom line, the autumn class could have just as many archer pods (or missile pods in general, dont forget howler missiles) as the original pillar of autumn

[D4RKST0RM99]

ummmm, no. The TIE interceptor was the empires answer to the x-wing and its success at the battle of yavin. Also, the TIE avenger has the same body section that vaders TIE advanced does.

But the non canon Tie Avenger came long, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG after the ones from the films.

Spoiler

 

here is the basic model seen in the original movie.

Spoiler

 

Here is vaders Tie interceptor Prototype that he built himself.

 

Spoiler

Here is the Interceptor that spawned from that design and was put into mass production, you are correct though it was made to combat the rebel's X-Wings.

also you can tell the Tie avenger is not canon because the design dosent make sense for the empire. Hyperdrives on fighters for the rebelion because they have such small numbers, if you tried to apply that method of design to a galaxy wide fighter coverage with expensive weapons, shields and hyperdrives it would not only be too expensive but a nightmare to maintain and arm longterm.

If you can take a look at the original design spec of the original tie fighter and you will see why they kept it so long.

 

Also when did this turn into a starwars debate, lol.

[Defender0]

But the non canon Tie Avenger came long, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG after the ones from the films.

Spoiler

 

here is the basic model seen in the original movie.

Spoiler

 

Here is vaders Tie interceptor Prototype that he built himself.

 

Spoiler

Here is the Interceptor that spawned from that design and was put into mass production, you are correct though it was made to combat the rebel's X-Wings.

also you can tell the Tie avenger is not canon because the design dosent make sense for the empire. Hyperdrives on fighters for the rebelion because they have such small numbers, if you tried to apply that method of design to a galaxy wide fighter coverage with expensive weapons, shields and hyperdrives it would not only be too expensive but a nightmare to maintain and arm longterm.

If you can take a look at the original design spec of the original tie fighter and you will see why they kept it so long.

 

Also when did this turn into a starwars debate, lol.

because it is being used as a metaphor for a ship we dont have a technical armament for.

[Unikraken]

Ok, while this is true, the TIE advanced has a more direct impact on the design of the TIE Avenger.

 

bottom line, the autumn class could have just as many archer pods (or missile pods in general, dont forget howler missiles) as the original pillar of autumn

Good boy, back on track.