52 replies to this topic

[Lord Stark]

Starting with a response to a post made in a different thread.  It was getting off topic so I started a new thread.

 

 

 

I'm a little bit drunk so if this post is really bad somebody do something about it.

 

Grab your popcorn kids! this could be entertaining.

1. Don't call me dude, its an offensive term where i live.
2. How can you go the wrong direction? just go any direction until you find human planets, "oh good there are enemies i know i'm going the right way"
3. You raise a valid point, the oort cloud could easily hide us.
4. 800 worlds is totally wrong, epsilon eridani has 6 habited places.
5. I use the word colonies as "world" (s) had been used to describe a fully inhabited planet like earth.
6. many of said colonies are asteroids or are just one town like venezia.
7. If covenant ships were really that fast, and they really had that ships they could still find any conies easily.
8. Rant over

 

Wait really? I've never heard dude is offensive outside of the 19th century.  If it offends you I'll stop.

 

And no, saying "Oh good there are enemy planets I'm going the right way does not work."  For all the Covenant knew they jumped right in the middle of human territory with Harvest.

Also assuming Earth Space is 100 lys by 100 lys by 100 lys  around Harvest and stars are an average of 5 light years away from each other I estimate that there are around 200,000 star systems encompassing UNSC Space.  If the Covies explored a system a day it'd take them 548 years, if they explored 10 systems a day it'd take them 54 years, 100 systems a day and it'd take them 5 years.  But that's assuming that they didn't think it was within a 100 ly expanse, lets say it was a 200 ly expanse.  Then at the rate of 1 system a day it'd take 4,383 years, 438 years with 10, and 43.8 years with 100 systems a day.  Hell considering they likely found UNSC colonies within 200 lys of Harvest, its possible they even expanded the search to 300 lys.  

 

This is based off of the theory that each star is 5 lys away from each other.

 http://wiki.answers...._stars?#slide=1

 

If the Covenant searched every system within 300 light years of Harvest it would have taken 14,792 years at one system a day, 1479 years at 10 systems a day, 147 years at 100 systems a day, hell or even 49 years with 300 systems a day.  The war with the Covenant took 25 years.  So even with the Covenant searching with 600 ships it'd take around the time it took the war to play out.

[MrChipps]

Just stick an antenna out the window and follow the shitty TV transmissions to their source.

[KhevaKins]

I don't know what I just read... You also didn't make a point or ask a question or anything so am I to assume this is just a giant rant?
Imma just talk about things in general.

Harvest is the furthest colony out, I am assuming that means furthest from Earth. The covvies assumed we only had a few colonies, Harvest and another one where the trade ship they intercepted was heading and possibly some others until they discovered we, infact, spread across a major chunck of space.

Since the Covvies where aiming for total eradication the population of a human planet doesn't really matter so I would considered all 800 colonies as legitimate. In fact the size of a colony doesn't really matter, Barbados Island and America where both considered colonies by the British. Quite a size and population difference.

Covvies occasionally came across human planets through scouting but I agree the chances are astronomical. When they planted a tracker on the Iroquois you can kind of see that they didn't really want to search system by system and were thinking outside the box.

[MrChipps]

ANTENNA!

[SternuS]

What Kheva said.

 

Furthermore, do we really need a scientific explaination for everything in the Halo universe? Heck, we can't even explain everything in OUR universe.

Just look at the sentimental side of Halo. Feel the despair of Humanity. Feel the magnificence of the Ark.

[SPECTRE]

 

Starting with a response to a post made in a different thread.  It was getting off topic so I started a new thread.

 

 

 

I'm a little bit drunk so if this post is really bad somebody do something about it.

 

Grab your popcorn kids! this could be entertaining.

1. Don't call me dude, its an offensive term where i live.
2. How can you go the wrong direction? just go any direction until you find human planets, "oh good there are enemies i know i'm going the right way"
3. You raise a valid point, the oort cloud could easily hide us.
4. 800 worlds is totally wrong, epsilon eridani has 6 habited places.
5. I use the word colonies as "world" (s) had been used to describe a fully inhabited planet like earth.
6. many of said colonies are asteroids or are just one town like venezia.
7. If covenant ships were really that fast, and they really had that ships they could still find any conies easily.
8. Rant over

 

Wait really? I've never heard dude is offensive outside of the 19th century.  If it offends you I'll stop.

 

And no, saying "Oh good there are enemy planets I'm going the right way does not work."  For all the Covenant knew they jumped right in the middle of human territory with Harvest.

Also assuming Earth Space is 100 lys by 100 lys by 100 lys  around Harvest and stars are an average of 5 light years away from each other I estimate that there are around 200,000 star systems encompassing UNSC Space.  If the Covies explored a system a day it'd take them 548 years, if they explored 10 systems a day it'd take them 54 years, 100 systems a day and it'd take them 5 years.  But that's assuming that they didn't think it was within a 100 ly expanse, lets say it was a 200 ly expanse.  Then at the rate of 1 system a day it'd take 4,383 years, 438 years with 10, and 43.8 years with 100 systems a day.  Hell considering they likely found UNSC colonies within 200 lys of Harvest, its possible they even expanded the search to 300 lys.  

 

If the Covenant searched every system within 300 light years of Harvest it would have taken 14,792 years at one system a day, 1479 years at 10 systems a day, 147 years at 100 systems a day, hell or even 49 years with 300 systems a day.  The war with the Covenant took 25 years.  So even with the Covenant searching with 600 ships it'd take around the time it took the war to play out.

 

There are only 3496 stars within 81 light years of earth in all axis. This is an actual number, not an estimate or working out. This is fact, they have actually counted this many.

 

My point is that nobody was supposed to work out the actual speed similar to warp factor in star trek.

Eric nylund just added in a random star, and a ship with that speed so that it wouldn't be boring for readers.

[Aunt Gruntie]

Are we talking real life? If we are then I did a quick google search and found that it'd be any where from 1600 star systems (50 light years) http://wiki.answers....ears_from_earth to about 170,000 star systems (100 light years) http://wiki.answers...._years_of_earth

Notice that both of these are estimates.

Also note that i found some actual sources instead of spoutin random numbers and claiming them to be truth with no evidence other than you taking my word for it.

[SPECTRE]

i got my data from a nasa chart by a David Palmer.

http://www.stellariu...tar/nearby.html

One should not that i had to convert parsecs, to L/Y and that the data is from 2012.

[m468]

Now I'm not quoting that mega post on my phone. It also appears that for a long time Humanity really did not garner the full attention of the Covenant. They appear to be more interested with forerunner artifacts than actually wiping humanity from the Galaxy. We find that while eliminating humanity was a central political goal of the High Prophets it was not a central religious goal like finding the Halos or recovering artifacts. So that being said the covenant most likely devoted their main scouting elements to find artifacts while only devoting a small portion of those remaining scouts to looking for human colonies. We also know that the covenant atempted to compromise navigation systems on human vessels to allow them to bypass the human colonies and hit Earth. They planned to cut the head off of the snake instead of hitting all of the colonies.

[Aunt Gruntie]

Link is 404'd for me

[SPECTRE]

What? OK.

will copy and paste.

Cant seem to format the table correctly.

[Lord Stark]

There are only 3496 stars within 81 light years of earth in all axis. This is an actual number, not an estimate or working out. This is fact, they have actually counted this many.

 

My point is that nobody was supposed to work out the actual speed similar to warp factor in star trek.

Eric nylund just added in a random star, and a ship with that speed so that it wouldn't be boring for readers.

That's a gross estimate, most stars are unable to be catalogued at a distance greater than 5 parsecs (16.3 lys) 

"25 parsecs is approximately 81 light years and there are 3496 stars all moving in different directions within this radius....The Internet Article goes on to say

'...Most stars are too faint to be cataloged at a distance more than 5 parsecs' -Cosmological Ice Age by Henry Kroll.

 

And no it was supposed to be just that.  He intentionally wrote that it took the Bloodied Spirit an hour to get to Onyx even though it was 38 light years away.  He didn't have to write the 1400 hours and 1520 hours if it wasn't intentional.  He could have just not put down a date.

 

 

I don't know what I just read... You also didn't make a point or ask a question or anything so am I to assume this is just a giant rant?
Imma just talk about things in general.

Harvest is the furthest colony out, I am assuming that means furthest from Earth. The covvies assumed we only had a few colonies, Harvest and another one where the trade ship they intercepted was heading and possibly some others until they discovered we, infact, spread across a major chunck of space.

Since the Covvies where aiming for total eradication the population of a human planet doesn't really matter so I would considered all 800 colonies as legitimate. In fact the size of a colony doesn't really matter, Barbados Island and America where both considered colonies by the British. Quite a size and population difference.

Covvies occasionally came across human planets through scouting but I agree the chances are astronomical. When they planted a tracker on the Iroquois you can kind of see that they didn't really want to search system by system and were thinking outside the box.

This is a direct continuation of a discussion of the Glassing of a planet thread because Spec continuously was going off topic as usual.

[SPECTRE]

Distance from Sun in parsecs number of stars stars/cubic parsec 5 63

0.120

15 1008 0.071 20 2127 0.063 25 3496

0.053

 

Sorry for double posting but i couldn't format with text on top.

And i wtill cant format it.

Just google gilese star chart, which describes stars by distance from earth rather than by which quadrant they are/ brightness/ weight/ other.

Last updated 2012.

[Lord Stark]

Distance from Sun in parsecs number of stars stars/cubic parsec 5 63

0.120

15 1008 0.071 20 2127 0.063 25 3496

0.053

 

Sorry for double posting but i couldn't format with text on top.

And i wtill cant format it.

Just google gilese star chart, which describes stars by distance from earth rather than by which quadrant they are.

Last updated 2012.

Again this is only the ones that have been found.  Stars farther than 5 parsecs are difficult to catalogue.  Source: Cosmological Ice Age by Henry Kroll.

[SPECTRE]

True, but good estimates  never go beyond 5000 stars less than 25 parsecs away.

[Verteros]

What Kheva said.

 

Furthermore, do we really need a scientific explaination for everything in the Halo universe? Heck, we can't even explain everything in OUR universe.

Just look at the sentimental side of Halo. Feel the despair of Humanity. Feel the magnificence of the Ark.

--

 

Of course not though there are people like me that LIVE for this shit. I really enjoy having a good nerd talk with a few people.

You could ask me just about anything regarding Star Trek's universe and I could answer you, you could do the same for Battlestar Galactica, Stargate or Star Wars.

[Stephan-338]

--

 

Of course not though there are people like me that LIVE for this shit. I really enjoy having a good nerd talk with a few people.

You could ask me just about anything regarding Star Trek's universe and I could answer you, you could do the same for Battlestar Galactica, Stargate or Star Wars.

No offence, but I don't think you know EVERYTHING about Star Wars, it's almost impossible... Unless you mean just the movies and not the EU

[SPECTRE]

Eu is disgusting apart from Boba fett.

[Verteros]

No offence, but I don't think you know EVERYTHING about Star Wars, it's almost impossible... Unless you mean just the movies and not the EU

--

 

I know an awful lot though I haven't read the books, everything I know is wiki lore. 

Granted Star Wars is probably the one I know the least of, I never got as into it as I did with Star Trek or Stargate. 

[D4RKST0RM99]

ANTENNA!

 

 Classified communique from Vice Admiral Preston Cole to

Admiral Harold Stanforth \ May 2531 (Military Calendar)

 

 UNITEDNATIONSSPACECOMMANDTRANSMISSION102482-02

 

 ENCRYPTIONCODE: RED

 

 PUBLICKEY: FILE/ VEGAS-ANACONDA-MOCKINGBIRD-ZERO/

 

 FROM: VICEADMIRALPRESTONCOLE, COMMANDINGOFFICERUNSCEVEREST / (UNSC SERVICENUMBER: 00814-13094-BQ)

 

 TO: ADMIRALHAROLDSTANFORTH, USNC REGIONONECOMMANDER/ REACH CENTCOM (UNSC SERVICENUMBER: 00834-19223-HS)

 

 SUBJECT: SAFEGUARDING NAVIGATION DATA – MORE THOUGHTS

 

 CLASSIFICATION: SECRET (BGX DIRECTIVE)

 

 Harold,

 

 I’ve gone over this a dozen times: starting with our capture and interrogation of the alien creature my doctors are calling an “Elite” and ending with my tenuous conclusions and recommendations.

 

 It doesn’t make sense. My gut tells me the entire war hinges on something that we have overlooked.

 

 First, and foremost, the Elite was xenophobic. The venom with which it spoke of humanity and its one desire—even as it bled out on the table—to find Earth and burn it to hot ashes. . . left zero doubt.

 

 With that in mind, I still believe that safeguarding Earth’s position is of vital importance. I plan to immediately implement the directives I drafted and sent to ONI for review, namely:

 

  

 

 1. All UNSC and civilian ships that come into contact with alien assets must have nav computer network/AI erased—destroyed, if necessary—to prevent capture of core world locations.

 

 2. ALL human vessels fleeing alien forces must do so on randomly generated vectors away from UNSC core worlds.

 

 3. ONI Section II to begin slipstream space attenuation broadcast of pre-recorded human carrier signals from antiquity to prevent triangulation of Earth.

 

  

 

 But, like I said, some things about this do not add up.

 

 First, I do not understand why the aliens DON’T know where Earth is. They have technology hundreds of years more advanced than ours. All one has to do to find Earth is stick a radio antenna into space and triangulate on the source. I suspect something is occurring within the Covenant hierarchy that has prevented Earth from being targeted, or perhaps appreciated . . . something our captured alien had no knowledge of.

 

 Second, my recommendation for ONI to obfuscate the radio signature in slipstream space (directive 3) might be our best bet to keep rogue elements within the Covenant military from finding Earth and preemptively attacking. Considering the dangers of any energy manipulation in slipstream space, however, I’m going to need your support with Parangosky to use her assets in what she’ll consider an “extreme-risk” operation.

 

 Third, I need solid intelligence on the enemy. Do they seem to see us as some kind of religious aggressor . . . following some hitherto unknown ritual that accounts for them destroying our Outer Colonies before Earth? Or another possibility—an anthropomorphic gulf—that we have so many inhabited worlds, some more powerful militarily, economically than Earth—what if they’re not interested in our homeworld strategically—but rather for some other, unknowable reason?

 

 I can fight them, Harold, but only so effectively without knowing why they hate us.

 

 I keep thinking of Sun Tzu: “If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.”

 

  

 

 I look forward to your thoughts on this, my old friend.

 

 Be well.

 

  

 

 Preston

From Halo Evolutions:

THE IMPOSSIBLE LIFE AND

THE POSSIBLE DEATH OF

PRESTON J. COLE