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[TheBigMan27]

Yes, I know there was a topic before about this, but it hasn't been updated recently so I thought I might as well just make a new topic. Please just read it and give it a chance.

I personally think the UNSC should either have extremely little shielding/none at all. And yes, I do understand this is all set for Rebellion and the H4 time period.

1. From how I understand it the whole shielding tech within the Halo universe is extremely limited to the UNSC, and is more of just a mock up of Forerunner tech

2. I think some of the fun in Sins of the Prophets is not having shields. When sending ships in you have to think "Fuck, I know I'm going to loose ships. Is it really worth it?" Because from my view point, the second you add semi powerful shields to both factions, what does the mod become? Just plain Sins with different models.

Ideas: (These are just my two bits, I know they're not perfect. Fuck it)

-Maybe for the Rebellion release, have shielding a ONI specific trait, and have them be VERY light shields.
Or
Have just the Infinity/Cap ships have shielding with variations on strength for different ship roles.

-Have shielding be one of the last research options in the military/diplomatic tech tree (I say diplomatic because the UNSC must have gotten some shielding tech from the Sangili/Covies) and have it just be piss poor shielding, like 1/10^th​ hull strength. 1/8^th at best.


These are really just my point of view as a player and I know that the dev team will make the final right call.
Great job on the mod

-TB

[psdt]

Even before halo 4 pretty much all space-faring UNSC vehicles and ships have shields. And its quite understandable to be afraid of this game turning back into Sins, but theres a catch to that.

Even with powerful shielding, the weapon damage is exponentially higher in SOTP than in vanilla sins. Shielding wont matter all that much when some ships are dealing out over 300 damage per shot. Not to mention nukes and covenant weaponry. From what I've seen so far, both tear down shields pretty quick.

[TheBigMan27]

Alright, I can see your point.
Thanks!

[Redleader102]

Also, another reason that having sheilds wouldn't necessarily devolve the game into SoaSE is that shield mitigation was removed entirely, because it would always muck everything up. Without it, the team is able to more properly calculcate how much damage a ship can truely dish out and take.

[CanadaMan7]

Even before halo 4 pretty much all space-faring UNSC vehicles and ships have shields.

I get what you were going for, but that opening statement just isn't true.

[MrChipps]

Shielding was not available to UNSC ships until after the events of halo 3. As a sidenote it's been stated several times in the books that once the UNSC cracked the secrets of covenant shield tech for the Spartans they were able to vastly improve upon them. The covenant just did not fully understand their own tech. So UNSC ships with shields should be more powerful than their covenant counterparts, just like the Spartans.


PS my tablets auto correct is trying to turn everything I write into a pidgeon swedish

[CanadaMan7]

Humanity's technological leap comes from the reverse engineering of Forerunner and Covenant technology after the war, but in the area of the shields, it's still tightly controlled. The only way for the UNSC to get shields is to utilize captured Engineers and have them implement them on the ship. The only current ship with a group of engineers is the Infinity, which subsequently makes it the only* active warship with energy shielding.

*Note: The engineers's sphere of influence extends to the other ships that dock with it (ie Charon class frigates that are attached to the Infinity)

[m468]

And remember Infinity is a Starship Technology Demonstrator so she will have tech that other UNSC warships dont have yet and may not have for sometime...

[MrChipps]

Humanity's technological leap comes from the reverse engineering of Forerunner and Covenant technology after the war, but in the area of the shields, it's still tightly controlled. The only way for the UNSC to get shields is to utilize captured Engineers and have them implement them on the ship. The only current ship with a group of engineers is the Infinity, which subsequently makes it the only* active warship with energy shielding.

*Note: The engineers's sphere of influence extends to the other ships that dock with it (ie Charon class frigates that are attached to the Infinity)

It's hardly a long jump for a post-war UNSC to use the data from the mjolnir project and the data Cortana collected from her time aboard the Ascendant Justice to create superior shielding tech available to, say, the Infinitys escort group without onboard Huragok. Just a thought.

[sloosecannon]

Well, I'm considering something... Basically give the Infinity a shield bestowal buff, so only ships that are stationed near the Infinity have shields... Keeping effective shielding limited to a single battlegroup

[MrChipps]

Well, I'm considering something... Basically give the Infinity a shield bestowal buff, so only ships that are stationed near the Infinity have shields... Keeping effective shielding limited to a single battlegroup

This is a really good idea, it adds the new Infinity lore without breaking the way the UNSC plays in SoTP

[TheBigMan27]

Well, I'm considering something... Basically give the Infinity a shield bestowal buff, so only ships that are stationed near the Infinity have shields... Keeping effective shielding limited to a single battlegroup

I'm digging it, but how powerful would the shields be? And also how far would the Infinity's shield buff go? The gravity well?

[sloosecannon]

I'm digging it, but how powerful would the shields be? And also how far would the Infinity's shield buff go? The gravity well?

Yeah, probably grav well... I'm thinking the shields won't be too powerful, but enough to make a big difference in combat... may do something based on the class of ship too

Again, btw, this is me, not the mod team in general... I'm just doing a little brainstorming about it

[gotterdammung]

im liking the shield buff idea a lot, it would fit in nicely with the idea of the Infinity

i know im new to the forums and all, just thought it couldnt hurt to throw in my personal thoughts on it.

[Defender0]

It's hardly a long jump for a post-war UNSC to use the data from the mjolnir project and the data Cortana collected from her time aboard the Ascendant Justice to create superior shielding tech available to, say, the Infinitys escort group without onboard Huragok. Just a thought.

Keep in mind also that the power requirements were incredibly high. Just before the fall of reach, human shield technology required so much power, that a single cabin on a ship would not be able to be shielded, let alone the entire ship. The technology was possible, but not the power supply for said technology

[MrChipps]

Well that was before Cortana was around to assimilate every piece of technology she came across. Cortana even noted, after she cracked the tech, that the covenant pinch-plasma generator design was inefficient and thought of ways to improve them. So again I propose that it's not such a long leap for the UNSC to produce ships with huragok-free shields.

[Defender0]

Well that was before Cortana was around to assimilate every piece of technology she came across. Cortana even noted, after she cracked the tech, that the covenant pinch-plasma generator design was inefficient and thought of ways to improve them. So again I propose that it's not such a long leap for the UNSC to produce ships with huragok-free shields.

Cost and power requirements still apply though, and on top of that, theres a question of how powerful the huragok free shielding would be, and whether or not it is worth it

[MrChipps]

Cost and power requirements still apply though, and on top of that, theres a question of how powerful the huragok free shielding would be, and whether or not it is worth it

As I noted earlier, by the end of the war the UNSC had, through Cortana, full insight into how the Covenant generated power and proposed ways of improving upon the design. So power is theoretically not a problem. But I do agree that cost is probaly a problem for a post-war UNSC.

[Wolf186]

To be fair, the UNSC at current couldn't field shields (or any tech that they picked up throughout the war) effectively, it would cost to much, and probably wouldn't be on anything smaller than a Cruiser. But maybe 10 to 20 years in future, they could implement shields on a effective enough level.

[MrChipps]

To be fair, the UNSC at current couldn't field shields (or any tech that they picked up throughout the war) effectively, it would cost to much, and probably wouldn't be on anything smaller than a Cruiser. But maybe 10 to 20 years in future, they could implement shields on a effective enough level.

Small......like the spartan IV project?