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[Defender0]

I honestly thought that by time of the fall of reach there were less than that. Maybe at the most 10 carriers that were still on active patrol for the inner colonies.

This is purely estimation. It could be far less. or it could be much higher. I dont know because i dont have numbers to work with for the entire UNSC navy.

[TheOtherXtremeRoflcopter]

This is purely estimation. It could be far less. or it could be much higher. I dont know because i dont have numbers to work with for the entire UNSC navy.

I know for a fact that UNSC lost close 100 ships at reach (give or take I don't quite remember). Assuming the UNSC only had a few hundred ships at that point I guess you could actually argue the ratio of carriers to other ship classes would be higher since they were losing the other classes (frigates destroyers corvettes) in bulk.

[Unikraken]

There isn't any specific numbers mentioned, but carriers aren't seen all that much and when they are there is only one of them.

[Unikraken]

I know for a fact that UNSC lost close 100 ships at reach (give or take I don't quite remember). Assuming the UNSC only had a few hundred ships at that point I guess you could actually argue the ratio of carriers to other ship classes would be higher since they were losing the other classes (frigates destroyers corvettes) in bulk.

It's estimated there were around 2000 ships in the UNSC fleet around the time of Reach/Earth being attacked. Humanity had something like 600 worlds to patrol.

[Bornstellaris]

One thing I do know is that there were only 20 cruisers left in the entire UNSC fleet.

[Defender0]

There isn't any specific numbers mentioned, but carriers aren't seen all that much and when they are there is only one of them.

I had a feeling it would be a low amount. I was hoping for exact numbers, but this is just as good as it sets up a standard. Would it be a good idea to attempt to (reasonably) balance the eion so that they appear in fleets in numbers closer to what is in canon?

[m468]

Well all know you can only do so much for the numbers of specific classes of ship but I do agree with defender. However, if long swords are out numbered 5 to 1 in space combat by Covenant Seraphs their squad number may have to be limited to help achieve some closeness to cannon on that because most computers can only have so many models running in game. Just my thoughts though...

[Unikraken]

I don't think we should try to force it, Defender. The mod is about creating your own canon with the information available.

m468, that was just fluff text for the post. I have no idea how heavily outnumbered they are, but they were pretty obviously outnumbered to some extent. Our current plan is for Covie squads to be 3 ships instead of 2.

[m468]

m468, that was just fluff text for the post. I have no idea how heavily outnumbered they are, but they were pretty obviously outnumbered to some extent. Our current plan is for Covie squads to be 3 ships instead of 2.

I know I was using for the same point I was at work and distracted (from both work and this) so my phrasing my not have been the greatest but I threw that number out to make the same basic point you did. Anyways, I meant to say that I understand both points. But, I still am a bit concerned.

[Unikraken]

I hate to make an argument from authority fallacy, but have we wronged you guys yet? Trust us and work with us and we'll make this mod the best it can be!

[m468]

I hate to make an argument from authority fallacy, but have we wronged you guys yet? Trust us and work with us and we'll make this mod the best it can be!

I trust you you have made the best mod I have ever played on SoSE and btw I just answered my own concerns about the strike craft idea by reading while not distracted by assembling a custom modded Glock 17

[damn_tall_marine]

I trust you you have made the best mod I have ever played on SoSE and btw I just answered my own concerns about the strike craft idea by reading while not distracted by assembling a custom modded Glock 17

Ya I did the same the other day but with my m4... But so far as I have played in single player I haven't really noticed them spamming a certain ship. Half the time I see more halcyon's then I do anything else.

[Dianno5741]

Alright
so not to come from a coding-I-Know-what-im-doing standpoint. The idea behind making strikecraft less is that the Eion is inefficent for its MAC, Id dare any of you to eion spam me without fighters. youd lose. it has two fighters each fighter being beefy, taht being said they are also still fighters and are still extremely vulnerable to AA fire from the mako. Making the fighters less per squadron sort of buffs the makos since they can easily shoot them down after a first pass thereby rendering your eion fleet completely vulnerable to pretty much my entire fleet. Even charons with makos would win against Eions. i went through the entities myself last night with Uni, step by step making sure that they are still balanced, still fun, still important, and not broken.

Is this the final answer? Probably not.
is this a good idea? yes, its more canon, its better for computer resources, and its better for balance.
If this fails then we will reconsider but the idea for moving the eion to a 5th lab spot to me is not a good idea. Its not hard to grab a fifth tech lab, Then spam the shit out of them you only put the spam off for maybe a minute. Making them more expensive is a route if this doesnt work. But there are lots of options for fixing this should this one not work.

[Dhoulmegus]

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Another GREAT thing is that Orion decides to attack strike craft for its auto attack. That should help out A LOT.
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[ShadowOfIntent]

If this fails then we will reconsider but the idea for moving the eion to a 5th lab spot to me is not a good idea. Its not hard to grab a fifth tech lab, Then spam the shit out of them you only put the spam off for maybe a minute. Making them more expensive is a route if this doesnt work. But there are lots of options for fixing this should this one not work.

I forgot to add "and put it so you can only research it after you research the Marathon."

[Unikraken]

[sarcasm]
Another GREAT thing is that Orion decides to attack strike craft for its auto attack. That should help out A LOT.
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Fixed.

[Dhoulmegus]

Fixed.

Oh thank you so much!

[TheOtherXtremeRoflcopter]

I had a feeling it would be a low amount. I was hoping for exact numbers, but this is just as good as it sets up a standard. Would it be a good idea to attempt to (reasonably) balance the eion so that they appear in fleets in numbers closer to what is in canon?

Eions already cost enough as it is. Making them any more expensive could push people away from using them at all.

[Rovert10]

In that sense yes.
The expense of the Eion makes it a ship difficult to spam really. You need a strong economy to attempt it.
I'd say it's a lot of your fault that you just sat on your ass and allowed your enemy to build up economy and the fleet if he's able to Eion spam you.
Though once you get a good number of Eions, it's pratically an unstoppable force to nuke capital ships fast on first run.

[TheOtherXtremeRoflcopter]

In that sense yes.
The expense of the Eion makes it a ship difficult to spam really. You need a strong economy to attempt it.
I'd say it's a lot of your fault that you just sat on your ass and allowed your enemy to build up economy and the fleet if he's able to Eion spam you.
Though once you get a good number of Eions, it's pratically an unstoppable force to nuke capital ships fast on first run.

Plus if we are pushed to a point where nobody wants to pay for an Eion when they could just buy an athens and get more out of it we would lose the source of the "Dat Aft" jokes. I don't think anybody wants that.