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#141 D4RKST0RM99

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 01:09 AM

There is a type of torpedo (mk 8 British) that explodes beneath the ship, this blows out all the water beneath the ship, this leaves the hull unsupported, and snaps the ship in two. You can see how devastating it is by looking at the sinking of the ARA cruiser: general belgrano by HMS conqueror.
In the case of a ship in space, the detonation of a nuke inside the ship will cause extreme heat leading to rapid expansion of air inside the ship bulking it out.
Then you have to take into account the shockwave of such a blast.

Suppose the simplest idea of that would be a tuning fork, when hit the vibrations travel the length of the metal increasing in ossilation(sp) the further it travels building on the kinetic energy so the bigger it is that greater the damage it would cause.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:25 AM

You also have to realize that the nuke was detonated in Mantle's Approach's main gun...


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 04:03 AM

You also have to realize that the nuke was detonated in Mantle's Approach's main gun...

Did it? i thought it was the bridge, or control room. i mean it had a portal and a composer.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 04:23 AM

Either way it was detonated in a very unstable part of the ship in a super enclosed space. 



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 05:36 AM

Either way it was detonated in a very unstable part of the ship in a super enclosed space.


Was it enclosed though? As I recall you could see Earth, and the attack which would eventually become the New Phoenix Incident while you were fighting through the final stretch of Midnight. And also, seeing as even though it was detonated it the "main gun" of the ship, would if really make any difference seeing as the Forerunners used energy weapons and as such there would be no explosive ordinance to be destroyed?

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 06:02 AM

Was it enclosed though? As I recall you could see Earth, and the attack which would eventually become the New Phoenix Incident while you were fighting through the final stretch of Midnight. And also, seeing as even though it was detonated it the "main gun" of the ship, would if really make any difference seeing as the Forerunners used energy weapons and as such there would be no explosive ordinance to be destroyed?


It would cause the space magic used to operate the energy weapon to go super-critical...
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Posted 10 March 2014 - 06:03 AM

It would cause the space magic used to operate the energy weapon to go super-critical...

Because of 42.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 06:45 AM

Was it enclosed though? As I recall you could see Earth, and the attack which would eventually become the New Phoenix Incident while you were fighting through the final stretch of Midnight. And also, seeing as even though it was detonated it the "main gun" of the ship, would if really make any difference seeing as the Forerunners used energy weapons and as such there would be no explosive ordinance to be destroyed?


Thats not quite true, as with other scifi lores the high energy distribution systems either direct some form of electric current or high energy plasma in the form of ionized gas. Both Halo and Starwars use the same method for powering their weapons and tech, for starwars its tabana gas that is mined by facilities like the cloud city in empire, in Halo the UNSC, The Covenant and the Forerunners mine hydrogen from the atmospheres of gas giants. This was the original function of the Forerunner facility in Halo 2 before it was converted to a flood facility as noted by the number of explosive plasma containers that litter the place, safe to say that some form of this volatile high energy is the life blood of most scifi starships that violently reacts to explosives.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 01:03 PM

Yeah but guys, the problem isn't "How could a nuke blew the entire ship?"; it rather is "How the hell did MC survive that?" And more important:"What was that sorta blue bubble where Cortana put MC, thus saving his life?" And "How did Cortana put him in there, if he manually activated the nuke?" As far as I can remember, an explosion is quite, quite fast.

 

But this is OT, isn't it?


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:34 PM

Yeah but guys, the problem isn't "How could a nuke blew the entire ship?"; it rather is "How the hell did MC survive that?" And more important:"What was that sorta blue bubble where Cortana put MC, thus saving his life?" And "How did Cortana put him in there, if he manually activated the nuke?" As far as I can remember, an explosion is quite, quite fast.

 

But this is OT, isn't it?

The blue stuff is hard light, same as what the bridge is made of, it essentially is a kind of forcefield that imitates solid matter but far stronger dependant on how much energy powers it, for Cortana the instant it took to triigger the nuke would have seemed like a lifetime for an AI also may have employed the use of a teleporter to remove him from the blast point.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 03:45 PM

It never occurred to me to wonder how he got away given that he was literally holding the nuke... I mean I know Cortana saved him with the hard light but... holding it...
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Posted 25 March 2014 - 10:49 PM

Like m4 said, the battle for reach was lost when the covenant landed troops. The Infinity would have made a huge difference in the ground battle. Infinities point defence system alone would have cut through most of the phantoms and drop ships. Then there is the hundreds of spartans, marines, broadswords and ground equipment on board. I believe Infinity could have repelled the ground invasion, thus saving the SMAC's. Whether this would have made a difference in space, who knows.

wouldnt the infinity deploy all the spartan 4s she had to defend the generators



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 02:37 AM

This seems a little reminecent to the Homeworld 2 backstory in the limited edition strategy guide, compared to the might of the Infinity against seemingly overwhelming odds

This is an excerp taken from the higaren history long before the events of the first game and how they used the core to bring about the near destructionof the Tiadani Empire (brought on by a gradual non aggressive aquireing of the higaren outlying territories)-

 

The eventual decision for the Diamid was clear. As the deadline for compliance reached it's final minutes, word was sent to the Council that the Hiigarans agreed to the conditions outlined. Their Navy would be abandoned within the exclusion zone and the core would be handed into the safekeeping of the Council, with one caveat. The Hiigarans trusted none of the Council to guard the core responsibly, except the Bentusi. The core would be delivered to the Bentusi Harbor Ship and none other.

Relief within the Council was palpable. It seemed the Hiigarans had submitted at the eleventh hour, and the prospect of war had been put to rest. Yet the Hiigarans had no intention of honoring the agreement they had proposed. When the Bentusi Harbor Ship arrived within the exclusion zone, it found the entire Hiigaran Navy awaiting, and seemingly abandoned. Sajuuk's Wrath stood at their center, core exposed and ready for Bentusi removal.

However, upon observing the entry of the Bentusi and their lack of escorts, the Hiigaran Navy sprang into action. Power-up sequences firing under emergency procedures, the fleet moved against the Bentusi from every vector before they could begin to react. The Hiigaran Fleet gave no quarter, the initial salvo slamming into the housing for the Bentusi Hyperspace Core. This bold and decisive move, had it succeeded in disabling the core of the Bentusi, could have changed the future of the Hiigaran people in the blink of an eye. Yet they had not counted upon the capabilities, experience, and raw speed of the Bentusi.

Bentusi Counterattack Leaping immediately into action, the docking bays of the Harbor Ship began to launch powerful and compact combat-ready vessels, while the power of their core wrenched the rest of their fleet from nearby staging grounds directly into the heart of the war zone before them. Shields and defensive fields were raised as the gravity around Bentus began to increase in magnitude by the second. The Hiigaran admiral watched in shock and dismay as his fleet began to fall on all fronts before the overwhelming experience and technology of the Bentusi. What had a moment earlier seemed to be a textbook victory was quickly dissolving into defeat.

As in every battle the Bentusi had fought, they offered their opponent every opportunity to surrender. Yet even against impossible odds, the Hiigarans fought on. Sajuuk's Wrath leapt from flank to flank, blinking in and out of hyperspace and bolstering the Hiigaran forces wherever it was needed, yet the Bentusi Harbor Ship outmaneuvered it each time. After many hours of solid, bloody combat, there was nothing left of the Hiigaran Navy beyond debris and their Flagship. Once again, the Bentusi offered the option of surrender, and once again they were refused. Wishing the ensure the core was preserved, they ruined the engines of Sajuuk's Wrath and began to maneuver into position to dock.

A Desperate Escape However, the commander had a contingency plan prepared. Manually disengaging the mass overrides, he plotted a course for the surface of the Hiigaran moon. It was almost certainly suicide to hyperspace so close to a Gravity Well, yet he knew that any sane course he could plot the Bentusi would follow. Having watched the fleet he had so proudly commanded annihilated in battle, he could not survive them and retain his honor. Even if the maneuver ended in the ship's destruction, the Diamid had been told of his plan and knew where to look for the core. Perhaps the future could be salvaged from the wreckage of the present.






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