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[SPECTRE]

I have never understood that argument. Engineers/huragok are forerunner by design. They were built by the forerunners. The 'offspring' of two engineer contains the knowledge it's 'parents' did (IIRC). Therefore, by some nature, EVERY engineer in existence would have knowledge of forerunner tech. Maybe ranging from "OMG it was on a shield world" to "It knows how to make forerunner washing machines" but they'd all hold some knowledge about forerunner tech.

Huragok are living computers, as they gather more information (about thier lives) they must make more room for it, so they delete older data (tech) so when two engineers build another and do a data transfer, the newest huragok will have memories of previous huragok generations too.

Huragok are sentient, living machines, and like any other machines they require maintenance, for all we know huragok may not have been able to self maintain (probably as a failsafe in case they were charged with maintanance of an AI which went rogue) so that engeneers require maintenance from the forerunner lifeworker caste.

With the time difference inside Trevelyan, the huragok could only be say 5 years old, or less generations than the ones the cov found which probably have thousands of generations.

[David0425]

The hurogok are extremely restricted on the infinity and port Stanley during Thursday war. Mostly because the unsc was afraid they would totally mess up everything, or be captured with the knowledge of Human tech. It's quiet possible that they still are restricted from all out refit and improvement of vessels, given the unsc's slow understanding, and knowledge on forerunner tech, and how it functions. So it's logical to assume the hurogok ony repair the infinity rather than improve it. Look at the promethean and covenant boarders during the requiem events. If the hurogok had indeed been captured too, the covenant would be much stronger.

[Eliteempire]

So this may be because i don't own the 'rereleased' books but didnt the covie ships need 1minute to come online after a pinned slip-space jump due to energy requirements? Also why did reach have only...30 super macs while earth had 300+?

Also... How the hell did the infitanty(sp) punch through mates approach and its shields/armor when a Super-Mac couldt?

Bungie y u love 300 or 7 ;-;

[Lord Stark]

Reach had 20 SMACs, and because with the threat of the Covenant they needed to defend their greatest population center.  Earth still had over ten times the population of Reach. 

[D4RKST0RM99]

So this may be because i don't own the 'rereleased' books but didnt the covie ships need 1minute to come online after a pinned slip-space jump due to energy requirements? Also why did reach have only...30 super macs while earth had 300+?

Also... How the hell did the infitanty(sp) punch through mates approach and its shields/armor when a Super-Mac couldt?

Bungie y u love 300 or 7 ;-;

Because somehow 7 is the most perfect number of the universe according to sciency types and I guess 300 because their was 300 spartans in that movie...............whats it called again...........em..............................Sparticus?

[Eliteempire]

Reach had 20 SMACs, and because with the threat of the Covenant they needed to defend their greatest population center.  Earth still had over ten times the population of Reach. 

 

First of all, wasn't Reach its major SHIPYARD/RnD lab/ Fortress world? Who the hell thinks 20 is enough when EARTH get's 300? I understand Moral of losing earth but... I would rather want to run away -which needs starships- then LOSE the major world with that ability

 

Because somehow 7 is the most perfect number of the universe according to sciency types and I guess 300 because their was 300 spartans in that movie...............whats it called again...........em..............................Sparticus?

It... was literally called 300, btw new movie coming out to be a follow-up on it

 

 

- Somebody please answer this shit, How the hell did the infinity punch through mantles approach and its shields/armor when a Super-Mac could't?
 

[D4RKST0RM99]

First of all, wasn't Reach its major SHIPYARD/RnD lab/ Fortress world? Who the hell thinks 20 is enough when EARTH get's 300? I understand Moral of losing earth but... I would rather want to run away -which needs starships- then LOSE the major world with that ability

 

It... was literally called 300, btw new movie coming out to be a follow-up on it

 

 

- Somebody please answer this shit, How the hell did the infinity punch through mantles approach and its shields/armor when a Super-Mac could't?
 

I know bud, was just messin

Yeah lookin forward to the new film, should be a blast, though I prefer my spartans with a bit more armor, like Mark VI, lol

[Eliteempire]

I know bud, was just messin

Yeah lookin forward to the new film, should be a blast, though I prefer my spartans with a bit more armor, like Mark VI, lol

oh xD, Well I will always take half naked men... less armor... You know what, Its gonna sound gay no matter what. I fucking PERFER Spartans from Sparta over Spartan's unless there's some freaky AI impl... well anyway.. ya.

[Zero]

- Somebody please answer this shit, How the hell did the infinity punch through mantles approach and its shields/armor when a Super-Mac could't?
 

343 trying to outdo Bungie and thus breaks everything in the process. Because Infinity is a deus ex machina and for that reason Halo just doesn't really interest me anymore. Probably why I'm going to jump on the Destiny train when it comes out, because Halo just doesn't have that feeling of Master Chief is Earth's last best hope for survival - there's all this other shit now.

[Lord Stark]

First of all, wasn't Reach its major SHIPYARD/RnD lab/ Fortress world? Who the hell thinks 20 is enough when EARTH get's 300? I understand Moral of losing earth but... I would rather want to run away -which needs starships- then LOSE the major world with that ability

 

It... was literally called 300, btw new movie coming out to be a follow-up on it

 

 

- Somebody please answer this shit, How the hell did the infinity punch through mantles approach and its shields/armor when a Super-Mac could't?
 

Because the SMAC has been retconned to 8.5 times as strong as the regular frigate MAC.  In other words Infinity's gun is bigger than the SMAC so it should do more damage.

[Crisiss]

Because the SMAC has been retconned to 8.5 times as strong as the regular frigate MAC. In other words Infinity's gun is bigger than the SMAC so it should do more damage.

Well way to fuck up Johnson 343. Now his punch through one cap, go straight through another, and disable the third is bullshit. What was the MAC's original output? If it was lowered, I don't see why they didn't give Infinity some Forerunner pulse beam bs instead of messing with my precious defense platforms.

[SPECTRE]

Because the SMAC has been retconned to 8.5 times as strong as the regular frigate MAC.  In other words Infinity's gun is bigger than the SMAC so it should do more damage.

When was this retconned. No way could a frigate with a MAC barrel of 300m firing a 600T (i think it was just the cruisers that used this wieght round anyway)  round be anywhere an eighth of a SMAc with a 1300M barrel and 3000T round 

Also the infinity uses A super heavy MAC (SHMAC here on in) where its barrel could easily be up to 5000M in length, fire a 6000T round and use forerunner tech.

[SPECTRE]

Done the math the SMAC is 89554555.3314 more powerful than the MAC.

SMAC= 5570 GT explosive power (more than UNSC nukes)

MAC= 64.43

5570 GT to KT= 5770000000

5770000000/64.43

89554555.3314

[Crisiss]

Done the math the SMAC is 89554555.3314 more powerful than the MAC.
SMAC= 5570 GT explosive power (more than UNSC nukes)
MAC= 64.43
5570 GT to KT= 5770000000
5770000000/64.43
89554555.3314

Well shit. The SHMAC's output must be insane then. Regardless how could a line of SMACs not punch through Mantle's Approach but a HAVOK nuke could destroy the entire ship?

[SPECTRE]

Well shit. The SHMAC's output must be insane then. Regardless how could a line of SMACs not punch through Mantle's Approach but a HAVOK nuke could destroy the entire ship?

Why bother shielding the inside of a ship.

A grenade won't be able to take out a tank, but if you drop it inside there is a different outcome.

[Crisiss]

Why bother shielding the inside of a ship.
A grenade won't be able to take out a tank, but if you drop it inside there is a different outcome.

I don't know why but I have a tendency to forget that Forerunner ships have shielding. Something something holyshitthatstoughium armor.

[sloosecannon]

I don't know why but I have a tendency to forget that Forerunner ships have shielding. Something something holyshitthatstoughium armor.

Even armor is only usually on the outside. That nuke could very well have caused some sort of cataclysmic chain-reaction inside of the ship that blew the armor out...

[Crisiss]

Even armor is only usually on the outside. That nuke could very well have caused some sort of cataclysmic chain-reaction inside of the ship that blew the armor out...

Still though, for a tactical nuke (emphasis on tactical) I wouldn't expect it's yield to be enough to go 86 miles left/right, 89 miles front/back, and then 231 miles up while blowing through the superstructure with ease. I get that's it's a nuke but come on.

But yes obviously the interior would be much less armored than the exterior. Regardless, the SMACs still should have done something.

[D4RKST0RM99]

Still though, for a tactical nuke (emphasis on tactical) I wouldn't expect it's yield to be enough to go 86 miles left/right, 89 miles front/back, and then 231 miles up while blowing through the superstructure with ease. I get that's it's a nuke but come on.

But yes obviously the interior would be much less armored than the exterior. Regardless, the SMACs still should have done something.

It dosent have to, it just needs to weaken the superstructure enough to let inertia do the rest of the work for the ship to tear itself apart along with what ever power scource it uses detonating as well, think of the nuke as the detonator stuck to a block of C4

[SPECTRE]

It dosent have to, it just needs to weaken the superstructure enough to let inertia do the rest of the work for the ship to tear itself apart along with what ever power scource it uses detonating as well, think of the nuke as the detonator stuck to a block of C4

There is a type of torpedo (mk 8 British) that explodes beneath the ship, this blows out all the water beneath the ship, this leaves the hull unsupported, and snaps the ship in two. You can see how devastating it is by looking at the sinking of the ARA cruiser: general belgrano by HMS conqueror.
In the case of a ship in space, the detonation of a nuke inside the ship will cause extreme heat leading to rapid expansion of air inside the ship bulking it out.
Then you have to take into account the shockwave of such a blast.