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[SternuS]

So...what's the point of this thing? People asking random question to someone who apparently can't remember some novels that just came out?

 

With this bullshit 343i is redefining the Halo lore for their needs and as their pleasure, but seriously, you can't just say "Oh wait we do this sorta thing where we just change everything and we give out infos that might be changed again in the future for our needs".

 

Fuck you 343i. Just release some novels, I appreciate that. Or you know what? Make a decent game, where you explain something. Like everyone does.

[Lord Stark]

So...what's the point of this thing? People asking random question to someone who apparently can't remember some novels that just came out?

 

With this bullshit 343i is redefining the Halo lore for their needs and as their pleasure, but seriously, you can't just say "Oh wait we do this sorta thing where we just change everything and we give out infos that might be changed again in the future for our needs".

 

Fuck you 343i. Just release some novels, I appreciate that. Or you know what? Make a decent game, where you explain something. Like everyone does.

Its actually been in keeping with the novels.  They are just clearing up discrepancies really.  

[SternuS]

Its actually been in keeping with the novels.  They are just clearing up discrepancies really.  

And I appreciate that. But you can't do that this way. Just as they showed

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the Didact alive in a fucking comic.

The games are there for a reason. Novels are there for a reason. What is this? How can I retrieve informations in the future, if they're written casually on Waypoint's forums? I bet someday we will see a whole new thing in a game that seems to be appeared out of nowhere but was actually said in a three-line post by someone in some forum.

[Lord Stark]

And I appreciate that. But you can't do that this way. Just as they showed

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the Didact alive in a fucking comic.

The games are there for a reason. Novels are there for a reason. What is this? How can I retrieve informations in the future, if they're written casually on Waypoint's forums? I bet someday we will see a whole new thing in a game that seems to be appeared out of nowhere but was actually said in a three-line post by someone in some forum.

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If Spartan Ops wouldn't have flopped DeMarco dying and the DIdact being back would have been season 2 material, but because there's no Spartan Ops they need to cover that material somehow.  The alternative was likely an ODST esq game which is a massive investment that just may not have been in the budget, point is Escalation is clearly plan 2 and I can't get mad at them when fan support didn't come though.

 

All of the responses are being cataloged (forgive the pun) by the halopedia.  Which considering it has more accurate information than the official released encyclopedias is fine.  And this isn't really a new promotional tactic.  AdjutantReflex was used by bungie.

[SPECTRE]

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If Spartan Ops wouldn't have flopped DeMarco dying and the DIdact being back would have been season 2 material, but because there's no Spartan Ops they need to cover that material somehow.  The alternative was likely an ODST esq game which is a massive investment that just may not have been in the budget, point is Escalation is clearly plan 2 and I can't get mad at them when fan support didn't come though.

 

All of the responses are being cataloged (forgive the pun) by the halopedia.  Which considering it has more accurate information than the official released encyclopedias is fine.  And this isn't really a new promotional tactic.  AdjutantReflex was used by bungie.

That's why they shouldn't have made SO for only gold members. Otherwise i would have played it. Because of that reason i'm not buying an X1 or H5 unless i really like H5. If they just did a PC port they would make a killing.

[JasonAHawkins]

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Its solid gooooold.

[Lord Stark]

That's why they shouldn't have made SO for only gold members. Otherwise i would have played it. Because of that reason i'm not buying an X1 or H5 unless i really like H5. If they just did a PC port they would make a killing.

They had to pay for it somehow though.  CGI is expensive. 

[SPECTRE]

They had to pay for it somehow though.  CGI is expensive. 

Yeh i know, i know, but they could have rolled in money by releasing it all on PC.

Also i don't think i would ever go outside again.

[JasonAHawkins]

As if they would remove Halo exclusivity from the Xbox before hell freezes over and becomes a ski resort.

[Lord Stark]

Yeh i know, i know, but they could have rolled in money by releasing it all on PC.

Also i don't think i would ever go outside again.

Not gonna happen lol.  Halo's the only exclusive title they have left worth a damn. 

[SPECTRE]

Not gonna happen lol.  Halo's the only exclusive title they have left worth a damn. 

There are quite literally no advantages left in Exclusivity any more, other than to sell consoles, hence the reason i'm not buying X1 or H5.

[Lord Stark]

There are quite literally no advantages left in Exclusivity any more, other than to sell consoles, hence the reason i'm not buying X1 or H5.

As long as 343 is Microsoft's bitch (which at this point I'm fairly certain it always will be) that will always be the purpose of Halo, to be the posterchild of their console branch.

[SPECTRE]

As long as 343 is Microsoft's bitch (which at this point I'm fairly certain it always will be) that will always be the purpose of Halo, to be the posterchild of their console branch.

<sarcasm> Well Microsoft does computers don't they? I can't really seem to remember what Microsoft really does on computers? <end sarcasm>

[Lord Stark]

<sarcasm> Well Microsoft does computers don't they? I can't really seem to remember what Microsoft really does on computers? <end sarcasm>

 

As long as 343 is Microsoft's bitch (which at this point I'm fairly certain it always will be) that will always be the purpose of Halo, to be the posterchild of their console branch.

Each department likely is encouraged to report a certain ROI.

[SternuS]

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If Spartan Ops wouldn't have flopped DeMarco dying and the DIdact being back would have been season 2 material, but because there's no Spartan Ops they need to cover that material somehow.  The alternative was likely an ODST esq game which is a massive investment that just may not have been in the budget, point is Escalation is clearly plan 2 and I can't get mad at them when fan support didn't come though.

 

All of the responses are being cataloged (forgive the pun) by the halopedia.  Which considering it has more accurate information than the official released encyclopedias is fine.  And this isn't really a new promotional tactic.  AdjutantReflex was used by bungie.

Well thank God there was no Season 2. Sp-Ops was boring as hell. Except that we actually played the same maps for half a season, the respawn thing was just nonsense. Clearing a level wasn't a matter of "if" anymore, but of "when". Just die and respawn, no challenge at all. Also, they kept the horrible go-there-push-this-button level-clearing thing. Which was already present in the Campaign, and it sucked. Quite hard.

 

I'm not saying Bungie did a good thing. I wasn't there when it happened so I can't say anything about it.

 

Well they cleared up that Epsilon indi/harvest issue.

BUT THEY KILLED SABRE TEAM 343 YOU SUCK COCK SO BADLY, BLACK TEAM NOW YOU KILL SABRE? YOU'RE FUCKING AVIN A GIGGLE.

Also, where did you read they killed Sabre? I seem I can't find the source...

[Lord Stark]

Well thank God there was no Season 2. Sp-Ops was boring as hell. Except that we actually played the same maps for half a season, the respawn thing was just nonsense. Clearing a level wasn't a matter of "if" anymore, but of "when". Just die and respawn, no challenge at all. Also, they kept the horrible go-there-push-this-button level-clearing thing. Which was already present in the Campaign, and it sucked. Quite hard.

 

I'm not saying Bungie did a good thing. I wasn't there when it happened so I can't say anything about it.

 

Also, where did you read they killed Sabre? I seem I can't find the source...

http://www.cnn.com/2...ideogames.snow/

 

Look man I'm not disputing anything that you're saying.  But what you need to realize is that 1 in 10 people actually finish a video game's campaign.  Of the 4 millionish Halo fans out there maybe a million or two have likely played the games through (since Halo is a bit more popular).  There are 562,000 registered members on the universe forums.  I'd bet my left testicle that those represent people who have finished the game's campaign.  So I actually think the Catalog is a more effective way of spreading the lore than any novel or databook.  Maybe not as effective as a game, but in absence of one not a bad strategy.

 

Also keep in mind 343's primary purpose as a company is to earn a positive ROI for their shareholders.  They do that mostly by selling cool elements to add to multiplayer, any bones they throw us lore wise (like SpOps) earn them minimal returns so they are well appreciated. 

[SPECTRE]

Also, where did you read they killed Sabre? I seem I can't find the source...

In the video stuff and forum stiff that stark linked.

[SternuS]

http://www.cnn.com/2...ideogames.snow/

 

Look man I'm not disputing anything that you're saying.  But what you need to realize is that 1 in 10 people actually finish a video game's campaign.  Of the 4 millionish Halo fans out there maybe a million or two have likely played the games through (since Halo is a bit more popular).  There are 562,000 registered members on the universe forums.  I'd bet my left testicle that those represent people who have finished the game's campaign.  So I actually think the Catalog is a more effective way of spreading the lore than any novel or databook.  Maybe not as effective as a game, but in absence of one not a bad strategy.

 

Also keep in mind 343's primary purpose as a company is to earn a positive ROI for their shareholders.  They do that mostly by selling cool elements to add to multiplayer, any bones they throw us lore wise (like SpOps) earn them minimal returns so they are well appreciated. 

Ok, but I finish every game I buy. Or try to. Just because some guys don't finish a 10 hours long Halo, it doesn't mean that the next Halo should be 5 hours long. That makes no sense. If only Halo 4 had been a decent game, I would've had no problem with this Catalog thing. It's all a consequence, they do a shitty game and try to make up for their errors. The wrong way.

 

In the video stuff and forum stiff that stark linked.

I watched them but I couldn't find it.

[Lord Stark]

Ok, but I finish every game I buy. Or try to. Just because some guys don't finish a 10 hours long Halo, it doesn't mean that the next Halo should be 5 hours long. That makes no sense. If only Halo 4 had been a decent game, I would've had no problem with this Catalog thing. It's all a consequence, they do a shitty game and try to make up for their errors. The wrong way.

 

I watched them but I couldn't find it.

Same here I consider it a wasted investment if I don't finish a game unless its just unbearable.  But the thing is its not that some guys won't finish a 10 hour long halo game its that (in most cases) 90% of people won't finish a 10 hour halo game.  So if I have 100 million dollars for a budget, I'm not going to spend 50 million of that on something that's going to satisfy 10% of the consumer base.  I'll spend 10 million dollars and if 10 million dollars only gets me 5 hours of campaign, then I guess that's too bad, but 90% of the fan base will be pleased with a rocking multiplayer.  

 

My point is that as far as games go we Halo fans get a lot of great stuff (a lot of shit as well), and even though we do have a rabid fan base, we need to consider that the lore is not their top priority and that's okay.  And when they try and throw us a bone like the catalog I prefer it to a lack of content especially with topics (like the Shadow of Intent) that I've been curious about.

[SternuS]

 My point is that as far as games go we Halo fans get a lot of great stuff (a lot of shit as well), and even though we do have a rabid fan base, we need to consider that the lore is not their top priority and that's okay.

Well that isn't really ok, but also Bungie contradicted themselves many times, so I can live with that.