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[sloosecannon]

IIRC there were 2 different warp scales in TNG and TOS. In TNG it went up above 10, in TOS 10 was infinite velocity... I remember reading some retcon about that a long time ago. Basically though, when there's a number above 10, they're using the other warp scale (I think that one is exponential and the other one is linear... something like that...)

 

And yes, I'm totally gonna sidestep that whole thing you guys have going on...

 

EDIT: Short reading indicates it's the other way... TNG Warp 10 is infinite. Whatever...

[Rovert10]

Warp Factor 10 applying to standard warp drives is still Infinite Velocity. As the scale is still used even in Voyager with a max of 9.975 in standard warp. TNG did change it for a time with odd factors like 11 (somewhat like TOS with theirs) but Voyager sent it back to the scale of Warp 10 as the maximum.

 

However Warp Factor 10 is multifaceted in its definition.

- Infinite Velocity

- Transwarp Threshold (Voyager)

- Slang for going really fast

 

Regarding transwarp, the scale is completely different. Warp 10 isn't applicable to a transwarp scaling as shown in the Star Trek III movie.

 

The area past Warp 10 is sketchy at best.

I mean possibly Quantum Slipstream can travel trans-galactic in minutes or even seconds. Faster than even Hyperdrives in SW. Just we're never shown it.

[sloosecannon]

Warp Factor 10 applying to standard warp drives is still Infinite Velocity. As the scale is still used even in Voyager with a max of 9.975 in standard warp. TNG did change it for a time with odd factors like 11 somewhat like TOS with theirs but Voyager sent it back to the scale of Warp 10 as the maximum.

 

However Warp Factor 10 is multifaceted in its definition.

- Infinite Velocity

- Transwarp Threshold (Voyager)

- Slang for going really fast

 

Regarding transwarp, the scale is completely different. Warp 10 isn't applicable to a transwarp scaling as shown in the Star Trek III movie.

 

The area past Warp 10 is sketchy at best. I mean possibly Quantum Slipstream can travel trans-galactic in minutes or even seconds. Faster than even Hyperdrives in SW. Just we're never shown it.

Basically, warp factors are just one giant WTF

[Rovert10]

Warp Factors are driven by what the plot needs essentially.

 

Though Voyager might have been the nail that says this is what the scale is. That scale is from 1 to 10. Anything else is not a standard warp drive anymore. Plot moves to a drive that's not standard warp.

[sloosecannon]

Warp Factors are driven by what the plot needs essentially.

 

Though Voyager might have been the nail that says this is what the scale is. That scale is from 1 to 10. Anything else is not a standard warp drive anymore. Plot moves to a drive that's not standard warp.

yep. sounds about right...

[SPECTRE]

The warp scale was changed in the 24th century if i remember correctly, so originally a ship going warp 10, now does warp factor 1.1.

Warp factor 10 corresponds to being everywhere in the known universe.

A warp factor >10 Indicated that it will indicate that a ship is not only being everywhere at the same time, but also across different times so warp factor 11 is 5 hours in the past i think.

This results In a ship being able to respond to a distress signal, before there is an incident.

[m468]

Uhm..... Slipspace people this IS in the Halo Lore section in the thread about slipspace......

[sloosecannon]

Uhm..... Slipspace people this IS in the Halo Lore section in the thread about slipspace......

And it's on topic. Right?

 

 

To be fair - it's more on topic than a lot of threads are...

[SPECTRE]

I wonder how "fast" slip space actually is compared to light.

[Defender0]

I wonder how "fast" slip space actually is compared to light.

Depends on the drive

 

Human slipspace drives are capable of 2.625 light years per day, which is 958.125 times the speed of light

 

covenant slipspace drives are capable of 912.12 light years per day, so that would be around 328,000 times the speed of light

 

Forerunners are an unknown area, as there is no set number for how fast their drives are, but there is a number on the covenant controlled keyship having a speed of 98.8 light years per hour, which is about 876,000 times the speed of light

 

(http://halo.wikia.co...lipstream_Space)

 

 

 

 

 

by comparison, a class 1 hyperdrive from star wars can achieve velocities of approx. 120,000 light years per day which is around 43,000,000 times light speed

[SPECTRE]

Considering it takes a vessel from star trek at warp 9,975 takes over a month to do  40 light years, Even UNSC ships are really quite fast.

I imagine after the war the UNSC could probably average about 500 L/Y a day.

Infinity must be real quick seeing as how it took anywhere from a month to a matter of minute to reach senghelios from the sol system. Which took however long for Covie ships at least months if not years for them to go from senghelios to the front lines.

[sloosecannon]

Depends on the drive
 
Human slipspace drives are capable of 2.625 light years per day, which is 958.125 times the speed of light
 
covenant slipspace drives are capable of 912.12 light years per day, so that would be around 328,000 times the speed of light
 
Forerunners are an unknown area, as there is no set number for how fast their drives are, but there is a number on the covenant controlled keyship having a speed of 98.8 light years per hour, which is about 876,000 times the speed of light
 
(http://halo.wikia.co...lipstream_Space)
 
 
 
 
 
by comparison, a class 1 hyperdrive from star wars can achieve velocities of approx. 120,000 light years per day which is around 43,000,000 times light speed

To be fair, a Class 1 is a "really really good"™ hyperdrive...

[Defender0]

To be fair, a Class 1 is a "really really good"™ hyperdrive...

there is no exact number, thats based on estimation and info provided on wookiepedia

 

the slipspace numbers, however, are actual numbers that were calculated from information on that page i linked

[Rovert10]

Considering it takes a vessel from star trek at warp 9,975 takes over a month to do  40 light years, Even UNSC ships are really quite fast.

It takes 5 days to travel 40 Light Years at Warp 9.975. I don't know where you're getting that information of a month when ST Voyager tells you 5 days.

Which puts at around 3000*c. The UNSC is going around 1/3 the max speed of the Federation at 958.125*c.

[Rovert10]

I won't take TOS really into account here, since if we're doing TOS then some random outlier especially that one in "That Which Survives" puts me at 766,000*c at Warp 8.4.

[SPECTRE]

Sorry i meant 132 L/Y not 40.

[Rovert10]

Star Trek speeds are highly inconsistent anyways

• Voyager travels 2 L/Y in 2 hours to a distress signal - around 8,800*c
• Voyager stated to take 3 L/Y in 2 hours at maximum warp - around 13,000*c
• Enterprise-D TNG "Best of Both Worlds" Assuming 1000 L/Y for the closest "edge" of Federation space taking only 6 days to track a Borg Cube. - Around 61,000*c
• Warp 9.9 in Voyager which could be achieved given certain conditions is around 21,000-22,000*c

Rather than standards numbering around 1000-5000*c for most ships. Star Trek ships will boosts themselves to speeds when demanded to.

[KhevaKins]

Starship Troopers is clearly at the top of all lists.

 Starship Troopers FTW
 

Uhm..... Slipspace people this IS in the Halo Lore section in the thread about slipspace......

 This. Are we discussing speeds at which different ships travel or the validity of their lore?
 

Depends on the drive
 
Human slipspace drives are capable of 2.625 light years per day, which is 958.125 times the speed of light
 
covenant slipspace drives are capable of 912.12 light years per day, so that would be around 328,000 times the speed of light
 
Forerunners are an unknown area, as there is no set number for how fast their drives are, but there is a number on the covenant controlled keyship having a speed of 98.8 light years per hour, which is about 876,000 times the speed of light
 
by comparison, a class 1 hyperdrive from star wars can achieve velocities of approx. 120,000 light years per day which is around 43,000,000 times light speed

The Librarian theorized that her ship, Audacity, could travel instantaneously, using slipspace, to any point in the universe but this would create such a huge build up of 'energy', or something (space-time?), that doing so would effectively disable slipspace.

"Space-time, we've been reliably informed, forms something like a bruise or clot around ships that consistently outrace their own reality. We were certainly in that category. We dared not even attempt to communicate our success-that might have tipped the scales.

For that and other reasons, objectively-within our frame-the journey would take far longer than one might think, considering our jumps could in theory have been instantaneous. We were at the mercy of healing space-time. "

[Defender0]

The Librarian theorized that her ship, Audacity, could travel instantaneously, using slipspace, to any point in the universe but this would create such a huge build up of 'energy', or something (space-time?), that doing so would effectively disable slipspace.

Yes, but thats only a theory, not a real number on speed. I looked, and i did not find any kind of number on a regular forerunner slipspace drive's speed.

[chiefship]

At this speed it would have become a big wibly wobly timey wimy stuff/mess.