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[KhevaKins]

We needs the NOVA. See my thread in suggestions.

[Faced]

Canada and I both seem to be opposed to superweapons in the standard SoaSE sense.

You could just let the Forerunners have the Super weapon... AKA mini-halo which only destroys life on a certain planet. But make it cost shitloads

[Calm_Craftman]

yeah im just messing around if that was ever put in it would break the game

Canada and I both seem to be opposed to superweapons in the standard SoaSE sense.

[Unikraken]

You could just let the Forerunners have the Super weapon... AKA mini-halo which only destroys life on a certain planet. But make it cost shitloads

Yeah, let's not talk about the forerunners at all right now. We're very focused on UNSC vs Covenant gameplay and I don't want our ADHD forum members going off on that tangent.

[Unikraken]

yeah im just messing around if that was ever put in it would break the game

I sincerely think it would.

[Aunt Gruntie]

Yeah, let's not talk about the forerunners at all right now. We're very focused on UNSC vs Covenant gameplay and I don't want our ADHD forum members going off on that tangent.

Did someone say forerunners?????

[Defender0]

Yeah, let's not talk about the forerunners at all right now.

did someone say advent with a few OP ships?

[PrestonCole]

I don't want our ADHD forum members going off on that tangent.

considering i have ADHD, the forerunners seem irrelevant at this point in the mod.

[Jrspartan]

Canada and I both seem to be opposed to superweapons in the standard SoaSE sense.

This doesn't rule out the NOVA making an appearance in rebellion thanks to the vasari loyalist's tendency to make planets commit suicide....

[Dianno5741]

Well for the private beta version, I changed mines to reduce the number in each set by half, which fixed over powered damage issues AND lag issues. I also gave them a tactical slot value so you cant spam them to infinity without an opportunity cost.

[Conran]

That lag is generated when the mines blow up a thousand ships at once.

Only partially, they cause lag in a similiar way to trade ships late game, huge numbers of entities technically. Ok theres no path finding like the trade ships but its still a significant pain in the arse.

[Dhoulmegus]

Only partially, they cause lag in a similiar way to trade ships late game, huge numbers of entities technically. Ok theres no path finding like the trade ships but its still a significant pain in the arse.

Another thing that differs is that trade ships are not transparent like mines, and they have engine effects increasing the number of entities. As long as you're not zoomed in enough for the game to render either one, then they won't have a signifigant performance hit. Until a fleet hits a mine and generates 5000 or more particles at once, that's where the lag really kicks in.

[Unikraken]

Another thing that differs is that trade ships are not transparent like mines, and they have engine effects increasing the number of entities. As long as you're not zoomed in enough for the game to render either one, then they won't have a signifigant performance hit. Until a fleet hits a mine and generates 5000 or more particles at once, that's where the lag really kicks in.

Perhaps we should try to find a less intensive effect for the mines?

[shortandpoor]

I found them to be really annoying and prolonged the game. I like the idea of only plopping one or two down at a time or removing them and having prowlers deploy them.

[Calm_Craftman]

how about setting an activation range like sensors detecting a few kilometers/miles away and having both a decent range and decent damage while also reducing the amount of mines and adjust the prices/build time accordingly.

[Rovert10]

Thing is with mine clearing when it comes to Diplomacy, Entrenchment, and Original is that the Scouts ability to detect mines is just a single target. This makes mine clearing a long and tedious task to do.

In Rebellion it is just a straight up AOE passive that all you have to do is bring a single flak frigate and a scout to clear.

In Orignal - Diplomacy Sins you would just run something like a heavy cruiser or even something like a Kol to just tank all the damage. However since a single mine can just screw you over here with the lack of sheilds for the UNSC and really buffed damage, you don't have the option. (Especially with the lack of a cheap early spammable repair cruiser like the Hoshiko)

I guess you could just ram 100 scouts to go clearing but still a tedious effort to do so to make sure you have to go single file 1 at a time so the entire fleet doesn't get blown up in 1 shot.

Trust me, mines take no time nor resources to put up unless you're like 3 jumps away in a 5v5 game.

[Dhoulmegus]

Someone else knows the faults happening here. Thank goodness.

[sloosecannon]

Thing is with mine clearing when it comes to Diplomacy, Entrenchment, and Original is that the Scouts ability to detect mines is just a single target. This makes mine clearing a long and tedious task to do.

Not entirely accurate... The effect still is AOE, but it requires a target... but your post is completely correct otherwise